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[–] tty84@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You're confusing anarchism with anomie..

Anarchism is not the absence of rules, but rules agreed between everyone outside any form of authority.

[–] glad_cat@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Rules without authority: impossible to enforce. Rules agreed by everyone: impossible to exist.

[–] tty84@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Once again, you confuse authority with discipline. What is ruled by consensus don't need to be enforced by authority.

[–] glad_cat@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And when did this thing called consensus ever happened in the past 10000 years?

[–] tty84@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Haha ! good question, probably never happened...

That's precisely the nature of progress: to create what doesn't yet exist.

[–] Pistcow@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

But, but Somalia!

[–] Gxost@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I was leading a work group designing a new software. I tried to reach consensus, so everybody in the group would be satisfied with our decisions. But it didn't work. Everybody was arguing even on simple questions and didn't listen to arguments of others. Votings didn't help too, because the minority was rising the same questions again and again, trying to convince others to join them and then re-vote. And nobody was satisfied. We were wasting time. But when I said that now I only listen to others and make decisions on my own, everybody was ok with that. Our meetings became productive. So, I don't believe consensus is possible.

[–] xachugesh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago

Consensus is really a function of group size.

I was in a group, there were 8 members we went back an forth for months to try come to decisions, it was not a great time and nothing was achieved.

Consensus is probably possible in groups of around 4-5