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[–] CoachDom@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Aren't heat pumps a cleaner, better alternative to traditional AC?

[–] Aux@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Heat pumps ARE AC. Also your fridge.

[–] schnokobaer@feddit.de 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

And (multi-)split wall mounted ACs are among the most efficient heat pumps as well with SCOPs above 4.5. It's frustratingly little-known or talked about (in central Europe anyway), because these devices would also be a much cheaper and more efficient heat-pump upgrade for older buildings that don't have low temp supply-water heating and would normally need to be completely gutted to install floor heating or large radiators.

[–] madejackson@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

While being the cheapest, AC is also the type of heating with the least amount of comfort, while the most expensive solution, underfloor or wall heating is the best comfort. Radiant heat is much less intrusive than blowing air around violently.

[–] schnokobaer@feddit.de 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That being said I think it also has its perks like the forced convection heats up a cold room much quicker and in a bathroom it assists drying surfaces or clothing on a drying rack (to stick with European customs). Meanwhile floor heating is extremely slow with some annoying side effects like it basically doesn't react to noon sun shining into a room and heating it up or stuff like that.

But I'm not going to argue that comfort wise floor heating is far superior.

[–] madejackson@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I agree. One thing I'd like to add: There are also low thermal mass floor heating systems available nowadays (usually dry, built on top of a layer of Insulation). These aren't that slow to react. But of course, these bring not only advantages but also drawbacks.

[–] Aux@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

You can install heat exchange unit. It will work as AC to cool you down and it will also heat your water and underfloor system. More advanced units can also be supplemented by gas/electricity when heat pump part is not effective (usually on very cold days).

[–] DerKanzler@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Air Heat pumps are AC.

There are different types which uses earth or water body heat and are even more efficient but expensive.

Technology wise they are AC though

[–] Gromit83@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Yes. And many homes in Europe have them. US term for them are split AC systems.

[–] beefcat@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

A heat pump is just an air conditioner that works both ways (it can pump heat into or out of your house).

In the US, most people just buy air conditioners because natural gas furnaces cost less to operate than heat pumps.

The move to renewables and rooftop solar is making heat pumps more attractive than the conventional AC + furnace, but nothing about a heat pump is more efficient than an AC in the summer because they are fundamentally the same thing.

Where heat pumps are a big efficiency win is in places without natural gas. Assuming your winter weather doesn't get too cold, pumping outside heat into your house uses substantially less electricity than resistive heating.

[–] CoachDom@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago

Thanks everybody for your input 😉 Now I know the differences!

[–] laenurd@lemmy.lemist.de 1 points 1 year ago

The technology behind them works exactly the same, only that usually the direction of heat transport is reversed. So at least the "cleaner" part depends largely on the chemicals used, not whether it's an AC unit or a central heat pump.