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[–] klieg2323@lemmy.piperservers.net 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Wow you are tiresome. I guess this shows Lemmy can be a good reddit alternative though with some internet troll scolding others for not liking trek for the same exact reasons as them. Geeze, let's start from the top.

You assume some executive at Paramount cares about that? Star Trek is a brand, and how well it performs as a whole is what’s important with regards to new Trek getting greenlit.

Yes. Star trek is one of the highest grossing media franchises in the history of the world being more profitable than the likes of Spiderman, Jurassic Park, and Mario. I know media executives aren't the smartest people in the world, but I'd say that's a fairly healthy franchise and is a cash cow if they appeal to the right audience. No exec is going to think like you and be dumb enough to not continue development on the franchise because some niche show targets at kids didint appeal to all Trekkies and even those who generally did liked it acknowledged there's some very big demographic targeting flaws that would keep many fans from the show

According to whom?

See my last two links. Also me and tons of others. It's a very common theme that Prodigy is for kids and that turned of many of the traditional adult fans myself included. Animation isn't the traditional style for star trek, but it can work so long as it's appealing to adults/all ages instead of being specifically targeted towards kids. Why Lower Decks has been so successful when TAS and Prodigy were not.

Animation costs significantly less per episode than a high concept live action science fiction series like Disco or PIC.

I wasn't aware you were a producer well versed in the various pros and cons of live action vs animation. You should know then that is not necessary the case as animation takes way longer and can quickly balloon in cost not to mention the incredibly talentent Kate Mulgrew ain't cheap. Plain and simple, we don't know the exact production cost but it very easily.

PRO was fairly well received, including being in the Top 10 of new shows when its second group of episodes began airing. This despite the fact that its scattershot release schedule likely meant it had difficulty catching on with the intended demographic.

Keyword second group of airing. Yes it didn't have the greatest release schedule, but even if it was more of traditional release it wouldn't have mattered. Kids these days aren't exactly know for their adhesion to traditional television release cycles. It really shouldn't matter when something is airing. Plenty of shows manage the 1/2 season release cycle and still find their audience. To be fair most of those shows don't have as abysmal of a first half of a first season as Prodigy did. You even acknowledge right here that it has its own intended demographic different from the traditional trekkie.

Just a personal tangent: I get the character development thy were trying to go with by making the first half of the season the way they did, however that storytelling and exposition could have easily been dolled out in in other ways with these kids starting already in starfleet. Or having a starfleet character get trapped in the camp from the beginning with them. It's not obvious AT ALL from the first half of that season that this is a Star Trek show.

You do realize the same thing applies to yourself and your appreciation of PRO, right?

Absolutely. I never said I hated the show or thought people couldn't like it ahem. If you read my first comment you would have noticed that while i wasn't the biggest fan of the first season, i was looking forward to the second and only with the news of the cancellation am i preliminary hopeful this means that Paramount is looking to bring in stronger hitting shows and getting rid of the ones that don't fit the franchise. I'm not surprised a show aimed at kids with insufferable characters with no initial affiliation to starfleet is a prime target for cancellation, especially with the ongoing writers strike. Not sure if you're old enough to remember the last strike, but lots of great shows ended up getting cancelled just as collateral damage.

Was i cheering for it's cancellation, no. Was i surprised by it, also no. Am I excited for the future of the franchise? You bet.

Thanks for coming to my Ted talk

[–] USSBurritoTruck@startrek.website 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Wow you are tiresome.

Glass houses, Champ.

I guess this shows Lemmy can be a good reddit alternative though with some internet troll scolding others for not liking trek for the same exact reasons as them.

It is not trolling to point out the realities of the entertainment industry. And I'm not scolding anyone. I know people who very much enjoyed season three of PIC, and more power to them. I wish I liked it. However, I will be staggered if "Legacy" happens and the majority of people whose opinions flipped once we got back to the adventures of the TNG crew won't flip again as soon as those characters are no longer a part of the show. Again, not trolling or scolding, simply a prediction.

Yes. Star trek is one of the highest grossing media franchises in the history of the world being more profitable than the likes of Spiderman, Jurassic Park, and Mario. I know media executives aren’t the smartest people in the world, but I’d say that’s a fairly healthy franchise and is a cash cow if they appeal to the right audience.

And yet somehow it keeps going for long stretches without any new Trek.

See my last two links. It’s a very common theme that Prodigy is for kids and that turned of many of the traditional adult fans myself included.

Your two links to some small websites where those particular reviewers didn't enjoy the series, one of which based solely on the first two episodes? I could also cherry pick reviews.

Look, I don't know who the "traditional" Star Trek fan is. I know that my old ass has been watching TOS reruns since before TNG was ever announced but I am not going to assume I am the archetypical fan, or assign all Trekkies my personal tastes. Not everyone can share my appreciation for great episodes like "The Way to Eden" and "Sub Rosa" and that's okay; I'm just built different.

But I was a kid when I was watching TOS. I was still a kid when I was watching TNG. And when I was watching TNG as a child, I had all sorts of toys and action figures, as do several of my friends. The idea that the "traditional" Trekkie demographic does not include children is wild.