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Context: We now have three flavors of Menem (our Reagan) to choose from in October:

  • not-so-racist Menem (Massa),

  • very-racist-alcoholic-girlboss-Menem (Bullrich, yes, from the former slave-trading family),

  • and ultra-cocaine-racist Menem (ancap Milei)

Not-so-racist Menem is toast cuz he's been president the last two years, and people are really pissed at him.

So, the election is gonna be between ultra-racist alcoholic ghoul and the ultra-racist cocaine incel. Imagine an echo of Hillary vs Trump but with an openly racist Hillary.

And all the libs are doing the EXACT. SAME. THINGS.

Of course my favourite flavor of lib is the one who voted for Cambiemos (right wing party) and is now worried about Milei winning. I simply can't.

For example, yesterday the incel explained very clearly how he plans to close and close/"privatize" the CONICET, the organism funding science and research.

And this krakkker dipshit goes "we shouldn't protest with marches and stuff cuz we would only give them amunition, we need to start making tiktok videos!"

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[–] RNAi@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

My highschool Spanish teacher fled from Peron

Was she a communist? Cuz if not, I have bad news about her "basedness"

[–] EmotionalSupportLancet@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I was not at the point in my political development where I would have considered that.

Points in her favor:

She taught me about liberation theology

She showed a movie that had an explicitly leftist main character and had us write an essay about it (edit: important context includes the essay being the one where we are supposed to learn how to write about abstract concepts in Spanish).

Points against:

Was extremely catholic. Like, thought Chesterton had good ideas level.

[–] RNAi@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Hmm, interesting

Perón got beef with the Argie Catholic Church (dominated by aristrocratic second sons with feudal mindset) and obviously with anticapitalist leftists. But the dude was himself catholic, even his wife (for some people, the one actually pushing him for "progressive ideas" like women's vote) was against abortion, the dipshit.

So, depending how politically active she was, if she was a leftist intellectual not inside the peronist party, that would explain her not liking living there in that period. Now, why someone like that would choose the USA to migrate to?

The classic move was to migrate to France.

[–] EmotionalSupportLancet@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Quick question for clarification: was she a positive influence on him despite her being against the right to abortion? Like, if he was already against it was she pulling him towards positive things otherwise? Obviously bad to be taking an anti-abortion stance.

Idk if she spoke French. Maybe that was a factor?

I don’t think the anti-“church establishment” thing was a factor, she was ironically enough the most “American catholic” of the teachers that weren’t Protestants.

[–] RNAi@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago

Quick question for clarification: was she a positive influence on him despite her being against the right to abortion? Like, if he was already against it was she pulling him towards positive things otherwise? Obviously bad to be taking an anti-abortion stance.

Uh, yes, she was way cooler than him.

Idk if she spoke French. Maybe that was a factor?

1950 USA had far better economic perspectives than any spanish- or english-speaking country. Plus she probably had a lot of cousins that chose the US instead of Argentina to migrate to (I'm assuming she was italian or irish)

[–] McCainRBGcreampie@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I'm leaning towards @EmotionalSupportLancet@hexbear.net assuming Perón headed El Proceso, or something like that.

[–] RNAi@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Look, Perón was a social democrat, and what's social democracy? The moderate wing of fascism. And boy did he liked Mussolini.

But in a context of feudal lords and "robber barons", this social democrat fash dipshit was like Jesus reincarnated for the masses, thus his ex-friends bombed him out of the country (gave him safe conduit to Franco Spain anyways) and prohibited anyone from ever mentioning Perón ever again, banned the party, and immediately got the country indebted to the US.

So, Perón will always be our FDR.

But again, from the 50's to the 70's, a big part of his backers were fascists, who wanted this country to not be a mere agricultural colony, but absolutely fascists nonetheless.

That flavor of fascist died a long time ago here. Right when finance capitalists won against industrial capitalists.

Now, who were Perón's biggest opposition? Mainly feudal shitstains and the few robber barons that weren't backing him, and of course, libs horrified at poor people learning how to read or having paid vacations.

But none of them were persecuted in any real way, cuz they were rich. The people who actually was persecuted were the cool anticapitalist leftists who didn't tow the line, the ones doing the real menace to capital, which this Perón guy was trying to neuter.

Just a fun note: After the coup closely following the Plaza de Mayo bombardment coup, Perón left but as successor of the party he named John William Cook, a communist who participated in the Cuban revolution. A similar thing an homolog social democrat from Mexico did, but John Cook never got to be president here.

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_William_Cooke

[–] EmotionalSupportLancet@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Thank you for writing this. It’s very informative.

[–] RNAi@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It's an extremely reduced thing, I would like to point you to some specific source, but I hate reading about argie history cuz it's really depressing so I don't have a main source. Felipe Pigna is a good start I guess, maybe too-lib-friendly but eh.

Also, I updated my post

[–] EmotionalSupportLancet@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Which part do you want me to source?

The place im coming from is a teacher I really connected with told me these things in the past. If these are are not true then I was wrong to take them at face value.

If you want me to delete my original comment or something I’m willing to do so, like if it’s egregious in its wrongness

[–] RNAi@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Huh? No, no, it's cool.

The dude was a fascist, it's just if someone is an "anti-peronist" but aren't leftists, 99% chance they are lib dipshits.

Gotcha, that makes sense. Thanks for explaining.

[–] McCainRBGcreampie@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He's saying he'd like to give you a good source

Oh, that makes more sense.

rat-salute

[–] RNAi@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hey, BadEmpanada has a good video about Perón

Thanks, going to check it out

[–] EmotionalSupportLancet@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The dude was a fascist, many scholars say so.

A choice quote “Italian fascism with argentine implementation”

[–] McCainRBGcreampie@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, I've described Peron's program as "benign fascism" before, I just assumed you had a wonky timeline.

No worries, I’m not the most knowledgeable on the topic. Nothing wrong with trying to educate by pointing out a possible misconception.

[–] RNAi@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Well ,yes, he was a social democrat,