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[–] clearleaf@lemmy.ca 235 points 1 year ago (29 children)

For anyone who thinks they're "stuck" with chrome, Firefox has gotten it's shit together massively in the last few years.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 74 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Which is why Google's next step is to effectively require chromium browsers for any websites wanting access to Google services and products.

[–] ilikekeyboards@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Feels bad but I can't condone this behaviour anymore and I feel ashamed that I haven't seen the greed Google is capable of doing.

In the coming months I will do my best to migrate away from the Google system, even if I end up paying a tad more, maybe just in time to set up a home server for photos.

[–] beeb@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The Proton offering is a great alternative imo

[–] lamia@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago

Well, if you can live with the fact that you need to either use the webmailer, their mobile apps or the bridge on desktop to use standard mail/calendar/anything software. I tried for a few years to migrate to PM (with a paid plan) but failed :(

[–] rifugee@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Sounds like a good reason to stop using Google services and products. Some examples (note, I haven't used some of these yet):

Search - DuckDuckGo

Email - ProtonMail

Drive - Dropbox

Sheets/Docs - Zoho

Some of these examples may not the best for everyone, but my point is that we do not have to let Google continue to push us around.

[–] grue@lemmy.ml 73 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

No, it sounds like a good reason for anti-trust regulators to make an injunction to stop Google from doing it.

It's time for this fantasy bullshit notion that boycotts are worth a damn to end. In reality, it's nothing but pro-corporate propaganda designed to make people think they're "fighting the man" or whatever when they're actually completely ineffective.

Now, don't get me wrong: by all means, please feel free to quit using Google's shit! That's 100% a good thing and I fully encourage it! Just don't delude yourself into thinking it represents even the slightest shred of a solution to the systemic problem Google's anticompetitive strategies represent.

[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

Sorry, our hyper partisan system has all but crippled regulation.

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[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

It's not you and me. It's the websites. They're not going to give up on having anyone with Chrome or using Google services from being able to access their sites. We'd end up with 2 Internets - one with Google and one without. And we all know that the one with Google will win.

[–] sirfacefone@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you like ChatGPT/care less about privacy, Bing is a great alternative.

[–] nanoUFO@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago

or just use the open source open assistant io

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

Mozzilla be suing

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[–] panda_paddle@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I dont understand when people think Firefox didn't have their shit together. Been using it since 2006 and never had an issue. Ya'll must be doing some serious browsing.

[–] thanks_shakey_snake@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 year ago

Been using since release. I never felt like I was making some kind of compromise by using it. Firefox always had their shit together from my experience.

Now, it's on par with Chrome or better than (tradeoffs and personal preference), even for developing web apps. Firefox dev tools pull ahead of Chrome's, then Chrome catches up and does something new and useful, then Firefox catches up, and so forth.

Firefox is good. It's not like "I'm leaving Photoshop for the GIMP" kind of thing-- It's like "I'm leaving Honda for Toyota."

[–] wolfpack86@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

When chrome was released, Firefox felt bloated visually and slow. I switched to chrome with the initial release, then tried to come back to Firefox some years later. Still felt like it was slow.

Im back trying it again. The desktop browser seems to work alright, but I'm growing weary of the Android app.

[–] Koffiato@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

It was really slow before Quantum happened and it's smooth sailing ever since imo.

[–] Bulletdust@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Been using FF since forever, never felt my experience was in any way slow compared to Chrome.

[–] sock@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

i remember it looking pretty sketchy and bad back in the day while chrome looked a lot nicer and user friendly

im a firefox user now i think chrome looks ugly compared to firefox nowadays

[–] drbi@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Now you can use desktop extensions on firefox mobile. They stepped up big time.

[–] Koffiato@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Did they lift the "only curated extensions" bullshit yet? I'm on Kiwi just to be able to run my own (unpacked) extensions that FF doesn't let me do so.

[–] 100_kg_90_de_belin@feddit.it 2 points 1 year ago

There is an override you can use on Firefox Nightly to run any extension you want

[–] reddthat@reddthat.com 2 points 1 year ago

Not yet but it's coming very soon!

It's already in nightly, and usually after nightly (if everything is fine/works well/etc) then it usually take 3-6months before it's in mainline.

(iirc)

[–] altima_neo@lemmy.zip 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Firefox has never not had it's shit together. It's worked fine. I never understood people having issues with it, unless they were running like 50 extensions and a bunch of grease monkey scripts along with a crusty old profile with a massive cache of old data.

Meanwhile everyone is complaining about Chrome eating up all their RAM

[–] Koffiato@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Funnily enough Chromium actually consumes less RAM and is safer due to better sandboxing.

But neither of these concern the average user. However, the main difference between the browsers user may notice is how pages that are still loading behave. Firefox has the correct behavior. Aka waiting for vast majority of the elements to finish loading versus Chromium just going "if it's rendered it's intractable." This unfortunately means that Firefox feels slower even though it's actually faster.

Also, on behalf of the dark mode enjoyers, flashing white for a moment while launching, loading web pages or updating contents of a webpage is incredibly annoying. None of the Chromium browsers flash white on dark mode.

[–] NamesArrHard@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Any idea if Firefox has a good translation extension? Like Chrome has Google translate that actively translates the sites you enter into English.

I live in a country that I don't speak the language of, so I often need to use websites and translate them to English, which is why I've been stuck with Chrome.

[–] teuniac_@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

There are 36 pages of translation extensions. The official one works without the cloud, which is pretty unique.

Personally I like the Immersive Translate extension. You can select your preferred translation engine (cloud based, but it supports many) and it shows you both the translated text and original text by alternating the paragraphs.

[–] KryckA@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Sadly the only thing it's lacking. Saw a couple of years ago they were looking at different technologies to implement it client side for privacy reasons.

Before post edit:
While looking for the source i found this:
Firefox Tests Privacy-Friendly Web Page Translations

It's coming bby!

[–] vox@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] OfficerBribe@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

This was also the best alternative I could find that seemed somewhat safe to use. Chromium browsers still are better at translate, but this seemed fine for my use case

[–] Catweazle@social.vivaldi.net 2 points 1 year ago

@NamesArrHard @clearleaf, better than a extension is to use this one for Desktop, so you can use it independent of the browser.
It's FOSS, multiengine for 125 languages, customizable shortcuts, Windows and Linux

https://crow-translate.github.io

[–] isVeryLoud@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't think FF supports PWAs yet. I need to use Chromium to turn some sites like Discord into PWAs, as the desktop Linux version doesn't screen share on Wayland. I also like having YTM as an app.

[–] fuzzzerd@programming.dev 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I believe that there is an extension for Firefox pwa support, but the Android version definitely supports pwas natively.

[–] isVeryLoud@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes, FF Android does, the extension for the desktop was very janky last time I used it. Mozilla just needs to support it natively IMO.

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[–] CodeSalat@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago

How can I disable autoplay after user interaction on mobile? On desktop this works via about:config but there's no such thing for mobile.

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