I'm not saying I'm definitely right. And sure, the libs deserve the dunking. I look back to when I was a lib and I cringe at the shit I used to say. I'm certainly not thinking "oh why were they mean to me when I said something totally sexist", and honestly fuck anyone that puts their short term feelings above the oppression of a marginalised group.

That said, I think that some Hexbear peeps might be enjoying the now long-lost experience of dunking on libs. I get it, it's fine, I would too. I'm just wondering if we can tone down the insults and PPB, especially in other instances. I would really stick to informed discussion if possible. I'm not reading comments in too much detail, so maybe I'm wrong. I'm seeing a lot of people here put in a ton of genuine effort, and those posters get a order-of-lenin from me.

I have seen Lemmygrad posters complain (nicely) about the level of PPB and shitposting in non shitposting communities. Frankly I think the deserve a bit of respect in their communities. Their culture isn't the same as ours. I love you guys, but PPB is really only funny in Hexbear.

I sorta feel like a mass defederation is just a matter of time regardless of what we do. Maybe I'm just being hopeful that we can make this thing work. Dunno, you don't have to fully agree with me. But for me personally, I would post a lot more carefully with non Hexbear users.

Edit: let me reiterate that the libs do deserve the dunking

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[–] ButtBidet@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)

I guess it's because of all the suffering that Western imperialism has caused the world. If one assumes that Western power structures are inherently fair and ok, that person is washing the crimes of the West by just a little bit. If one assumes that capitalism works and is somehow fair, one neglects all the overseas exploitation that makes it happen.

If you're a socdem lib, you're still to the left of my early days, so me personally, I'm not gonna treat you like a demon.

I think the other answer is that a lot of us see a lot of genuine bullshit irl, and "dunking on a lib" is a small way to vent about all the unfair shit we're exposed to. I'm sorry if it's stressful in the short term, but try to remember that people are really hurting right now. I've definitely been dunked on by a marginalised person before, I've even been wrong. But I try to take the grown-up road and realise my privilege.

Edit, I forgot to add that liberals are complete dicks to us online when they are in the majority, like on Reddit.

[–] Zyansheep@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (8 children)

I do not support imperialism, neither do I assume any system of power (political or economic) to be inherently fair. I do however prefer democracy (flawed it may be) to a more authoritarian system when it comes to changing systems for the better. Whatever "better" looks like for the systems in question.

I think the other answer is that a lot of us see a lot of genuine bullshit irl, and "dunking on a lib" is a small way to vent about all the unfair shit we're exposed to. I'm sorry if it's stressful in the short term, but try to remember that people are really hurting right now. I've definitely been dunked on by a marginalised person before, I've even been wrong. But I try to take the grown-up road and realise my privilege

So... tribalism? That is understandable i guess.

[–] ThomasMuentzner@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

there is no democracy , there is only oligarchy ... Democracy with a Kreditor and Landholderclass is not viable , it has failed where ever it has been tried.

[–] Zyansheep@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

How do you define "failure" in this context? What makes one country more of a failure than another?

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