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The people who don’t care/understand politics will have to get hungry.
You know what they say, a society is one 4 meals aways from complete chaos
Thats the string holding it all together imo. The majority of people still feel secure enough in their next week of meals, let alone next four. Yeah they cost more, yeah food pantries usage are trending up so much that it threatens their stocks of food, but the foods still there and obtainable for most. Many of us who see the writing on the wall are ready for whatever but we can't simply start shooting and hope things get better.
Well sure for now,but your seen the price of eggs,Healthcare, transportation, education, Internet and about dozen other things,prices for food is already going up,how long will take? By the way,I don't think revolution is the answer,j think politicians need to grow some back bones. Give aoc or burnie a chance.
1929 crisis lasted more or less 10 years and nothing happened
Lol, dude. Seriously ? Have you read nothing of that time ?
I should have said nothing changed, not nothing happened. Ok, there were some peasant revolts.
Great reply,yea you guys are Americans. I thought you all have a belief that anything was possible with gumption and grit. I don't really understand what happened to the people,I thought you guys where all fire and brimstone,what happened?
I think a big difference between then and now might be the lack of community organizations.
When I look at US history pre-1980 or so, it seems like there were a lot more little clubs and organizations. Things like Kiwanis or Lions Club would be sort of backbones of the community (also involved in one’s route to political success - my grandpa’s plan before his mysterious/very controversial death was military -> lead the Kiwanis -> get into politics), or even tiny ass small towns might have a organizations for the local immigrant populations - like Krebs, OK used to have an Italian organization large enough to do parades.
These organizations would provide support to their members. They’d do fundraisers for the sick, they’d organize meal trains. Unions also did a lot of that.
(The second Klan, ie 1920s, was primarily one of these types of social organizations. Some folks joined for the baseball matches and parades).
Like keep in mind most of us are a paycheck or two away from eviction. And once you drop out of the system it’s difficult to get back in. We don’t have support networks (even the way the nuclear family atomizes individuals - parents aren’t expected to support you after 18). Those were support networks that could step in if you lost your job after an unfair imprisonment or if you needed to find someone to babysit during a rally.
Also goes with the lack of third spaces - these kinds of meetings or events were places to meet others in the flesh. I think the political discussion of a chautauqua was probably less vulnerable to foreign bad agents (although certainly not domestic ones).
We just have a lack of community in general - I guess a “lack of class consciousness” ensues. We view our struggles against our landlord/boss/grocery stores as individual and still somewhat of our own fault, that we are still “temporarily embarrassed millionaires” who haven’t worked hard enough to earn it yet.
I’ve known (rich) people who think people without health insurance who can’t afford their treatment deserve to die. When you don’t know poor people, they aren’t human to you. When you don’t know other people, their struggles don’t matter.
We’re too exhausted from working to socialize, organize or really being able to give a shit about anything.
Also,another excellent answer
Umm but it's not illegal (yet) to start groups right? Why aren't people setting up groups and unions? Gumption,remember
There are quite a few restrictions on starting unions and what they can do - I was part of a teachers union, which essentially was just one of those were they give you insurance coverage. Teachers Unions in my state are barred by law from striking (since I successful strike in the 90s).
Often trying to organize any form of Union at all will get you fired - remember, “at will” makes that they don’t need a reason to fire you.
For smaller groups, it’s a lack of people willing to take leadership roles. Being a leader is a lot of work, and it’s hard work. You do need gumption - it’s also not going to be paid. It can be a lot of sitting at meetings where the discussion goes in circles and is endlessly tabled for the next, you often want to institute things like Roberts Rules (but you have to teach that). People also don’t like showing up to things they feel like they “have to” - the incentives to get people to come like food are going to cost you money.
The churches are really the main remaining community small groups in the US - but unfortunately, the most powerful and effective ones are aligned with the current regime. Conservative evangelical churches are structured as businesses and have ample financial resources - the small churches of Unitarians, Presbyterians, Methodists, etc actually likely to fight this shit are the people who have to fundraise for months to get a leaky roof patched. I think the LDS Church could potentially grow a spine if some sort of line was crossed - they were powerful enough to get gay marriage nixxed in California back in the day - but they’ve also been training their members to be preppers and might just be happy for the opportunity to create Deseret.