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[–] A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world 52 points 2 days ago (4 children)
[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 60 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Its astonishing that almost half the population of the USA continues, in every poll, to rate Donald Trump and Elon Musk favourably. And this is after Musk's triumphant angry Nazi salutes. People say that fascists are a small minority in the USA, but the polls suggest otherwise.

[–] fluxion@lemmy.world 26 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Dumbasses apparently are a much larger portion of the population than previously thought as well

[–] darkdemize@sh.itjust.works 27 points 2 days ago

A big part of the problem seems to be people treating political parties like sports teams. As long as their team "wins," they don't care, even if the reality is that we all lose.

[–] Joeffect@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago

The American school system is rated much more poorly than most other countries with an educational system In place... We lack proper education with critical thinking... The people who benefit from this are the same ones trying to dismantle the education system even further...

All this is amplified by the brain rot of social media and the use of them by other countries to influence a wide spectrum of a population never seen before...

Ai also makes people dumber... And less able to think for themselves

[–] Banana@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Much larger portion of the sample

How do we know this poll accurately represents what most Americans think?

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

How do we know this poll accurately represents what most Americans think?

You can check the methodology of the survey to see whether it has any issues:

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2025/02/07/views-of-trump-methodology/

[–] Banana@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Thank you!!

The methodology is actually pretty good, though I don't understand why, for a computerized survey, they only chose to survey 0.0015% of the population.

I feel like they could've easily surveyed more people.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 days ago (2 children)

It's actually a relatively large sample size, enough to get an accurate survey, and increasing it further leads to diminishing returns in terms of improved accuracy of the result. You don't need that many people to get an accurate survey. If you play with a calculator like this one you can see that this sample size for a US population of 340 million people gets you into the region of 99% confidence with a 1.8% margin of error.

[–] jaybone@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

But is that sanple diverse enough to reflect the overall demographics of that total 340 million? Like accounting for geography, race, etc?

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Hard to say, but their description of methodology indicates that they are trying and taking active steps to achieve that.

[–] Banana@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago

Fair enough! It's been a very long time since I took stats haha

[–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

If you can convince the lowest white man he's better then the highest black man, he'll empty his wallet for you.

[–] Zeppo@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 days ago (4 children)

I'm surprised Zuckerberg is more disliked than Elron. Though Zucker has done some weird shit lately taking Facebook culture right wing, he's been way less of a public pain in the ass than Musk. He's been widely known as a dislikable figure for longer though.

[–] solarvector@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Zuck never cared to develop a following like Musk, so it makes sense that's there is a not broad passive level of dislike.

Not surprised to see that the intense dislike is much higher for Musk though.

[–] Zeppo@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 days ago

That's a good point. Zucker has a higher amount of dislike vs. intense dislike.

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Musk at least tried to pretend to be one of the "cool and good" billionares. Making fun tech, cool cars, the real world Tony Stark. Zuck never did.

And now Musk's fans are licking his boots with Trump for a penny to trickle down to them.

[–] Zeppo@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 days ago

Zucker kinda somewhat tried to do that with the "metaverse" thing. He pulled it off very poorly and it was a stupid idea in the first place, though.

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 days ago

Musk has fanboys, Zuck doesn't

[–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

He's also already told Trump publicly what he expects from him in terms of legislation and policy, he very obviously in the 'you took the money, now do what I say' camp.

[–] Zeppo@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

There's something ongoing, though. If Trump didn't think he needed him still, or didn't have some reason he's forced to keep him around, he'd just tell Musk to fuck off. Same as how he fires appointees, doesn't follow through on other contracts and stiffs people on bills.

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

Evidence of systemic bootlicking right here

[–] jaybone@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Musk’s numbers aren’t so bad :(