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it's good to look in the mirror and understand the material outcomes of voter behavior (lemmy.cafe)

submitted 1 week ago by spujb@lemmy.cafe to c/politicalmemes@lemmy.world

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I have problems with people who abstained. The hard thing is, how do you change voter behavior?

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[–] JeSuisUnHombre@lemm.ee 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Except she was working for peace to end the genocide. You keep skipping over that reality as if it were meaningless.

I'm not skipping over the deals she was making. I'm just not relying on it as the singularly decisive factor in determining her contribution to the conflict. As well as highlighting the context in which it was done.

How do you realistically propose to dismantle Israel in a way which wouldn't qualify as genocide?

the state is not the people it supposes to represent.

How did we dismantle the nazi state in a way that didn't qualify as genocide?

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm just not relying on it as the singularly decisive factor in determining her contribution to the conflict

Working for peace is the exact opposite of contributing to the conflict.

How did we dismantle the nazi state in a way that didn't qualify as genocide?

Killing 4.4 to 5.3 million Nazis was part of that achievement. It was not achieved peacefully. Thankfully "Nazi" isn't an ethnicity, but Israeli Jews are and ethnic group.

[–] JeSuisUnHombre@lemm.ee 1 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Working for peace is the exact opposite of contributing to the conflict.

I was actually trying to use a neutral phrase. Meaning that it would be possible to have a positive contribution to resolving the conflict. As I think I've made clear, I don't believe it was positive overall because of a few factors I've tried to lay out. Can you say that you aren't skipping over factors I've presented to come to your conclusion?

Killing 4.4 to 5.3 million Nazis was part of that achievement. It was not achieved peacefully. Thankfully "Nazi" isn't an ethnicity, but Israeli Jews are and ethnic group.

That was the war that got us to the place where we were able to make demands of the state and hold them accountable for their actions. At the moment, it doesn't seem like war is required to give the US that kind of sway over the state of Israel.

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Can you say that you aren't skipping over factors I've presented to come to your conclusion?

They are irrelevant. You don't try to stop something you support.

it doesn't seem like war is required to give the US that kind of sway over the state of Israel.

Do you expect that Netanyahu would step down from power if we asked?