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[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I can understand some arguments that there’s always room to advance UI paradigms, but I have to say that I don’t think that cloud-based smartphone UIs are the endgame.

I think the first filesystems had flat layout (no directories), but also had different file types for a library, an executable, a plaintext file. Then there were filesystems where directories could only list files, not other directories.

Slowly and gradually over time they evolved to the abstractions of directories listing files and other directories. I think in early Unix even a directory was a usual file, just differently interpreted.

Now, instead of teaching clueless people they've made a whole culture of computing for clueless people only, unfit for proper usage.

One might see how representation of something like a lent of objects is the flat layout again. At some point it doesn't matter that there's a normal filesystem under it, or something.

One might also see how using tags to somewhat organize objects into another lent is similar to a two-level layout, where a directory can only list files.

If one is going to consume content, okay, fine.

How would one know if they want to use computers seriously if they haven't been taught, don't know where to start teaching themselves, probably have, mild or not, executive dysfunction (a lot of conditions) and, if put in the right situation, would be very capable and interested, but in the wrong situation just can't learn a single thing?

That was me, I could only reduce distractions and non-transparency after moving to Linux (and then OpenBSD, and then FreeBSD) with obscure WMs and setups. I'm born in 1996, so I had it easier.

[–] btaf45@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I think the first filesystems had flat layout (no directories),

That is true for MS-DOS 1.0. But Unix had a tree structured directory system from the very beginning (early 1970s). And the directory listing command "ls" was basically the same in the first Unix 50 years ago as it is in modern Linux.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago

I meant - before Unix.

[–] tal@lemmy.today 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I think the first filesystems had flat layout (no directories), but also had different file types for a library, an executable, a plaintext file. Then there were filesystems where directories could only list files, not other directories.

The original Macintosh filesystem was flat, and according to WP, used for about two years around the mid-1980s. I don't think I've ever used it, personally.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macintosh_File_System

MFS is called a flat file system because it does not support a hierarchy of directories.

They switched to a new, hierarchical filesystem, HFS, pretty soon.

I thought that Apple ProDOS's file system -- late 1970s to early 1980s -- was also flat, from memory. It looks like it was at one point, though they added hierarchical support to it later:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_ProDOS

ProDOS adds a standard method of accessing ROM-based drivers on expansion cards for disk devices, expands the maximum volume size from about 400 kilobytes to 32 megabytes, introduces support for hierarchical subdirectories (a vital feature for organizing a hard disk's storage space), and supports RAM disks on machines with 128 KB or more of memory.

Looks like FAT, used by MS-DOS, early 1980s, also started out flat-file, then added hierarchical support:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Allocation_Table

The BIOS Parameter Block (BPB) was introduced with PC DOS 2.0 as well, and this version also added read-only, archive, volume label, and directory attribute bits for hierarchical sub-directories.[24]

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Seems to confirm the tendency, except I was thinking about higher-end and more professional systems.

[–] tal@lemmy.today 1 points 2 days ago

Oh, yeah, not saying that they were the first filesystems, just that I can remember that transition on the personal computer.