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I have problems with people who abstained. The hard thing is, how do you change voter behavior?
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Full BlueAnon territory here. Incredible the mental gymnastics y'all will go through to reaffirm your loyalty to the state and hatred of the state's enemies, even when it's blatantly acting against you.
It can't be that the world is a complex place filled with many different factions each pursuing different interests. No, everyone is either with us or against us, and everyone who's against us is secretly controlled by Putin. Trump? Putin puppet. Hamas? Putin puppet. Me, and anyone else who challenges your ideas? Putin puppet, I'm sure. The world is no more complex than a Saturday morning cartoon with one big bad pulling all the strings. There's no need to ever study anything, let along actually try to see things from other perspectives (the very idea borders on treason!).
Let's assume that your conspiracy theory is correct. Why then, is Putin's puppet Trump committed to fighting Putin's puppet Hamas? It's a blatant contradiction, but it doesn't matter, because it's not about making any sense. It's nowhere close to being a serious analysis.
Every country in the world has it's own culture and history and narratives and internal factions and motivations, but all of that has to be mashed down into good guys and bad guys within the scope of modern American politics. You would do far better to step back from the news and read an actual book.
I've listed NUMEROUS reputable sources. The first one in my old Russia post is a BOOK by journalist Craig Unger called American Kompromat- why don't you try reading an actual book? What was the title of the last geopolitical book you read? Go on, list it. Lol. Or list a reputable book that refutes what I'm saying - give a specific title. I bet you can't, because you aren't informed and were projecting that.
I've also explicitly discussed how BRICS relates to Putin and Russia. They simply own Trump due to blackmail and massive propaganda networks, so yes, they are meddling in everything. Perhaps you're projecting ypur inability to read through a complex geopolitical topic with links, significant reputable links lol. Like no, not superstitious thinking, there's sources. Lol. Your first bit is like a toddler getting mad that they have to learn "stupid math" they will "never use again."
It's BRICS. Overall, BRICS needs justification worldwide to kick off WW3. So Iran and Saudi Arabia already wanted Jerusalem. They cannot just invade without the US and the West getting involved. But historically, if we look like Nazis and engage in Nazi stuff, that has been considered a good reason to invade a country. Not every country in BRICS wants to be aggressive- eg India is likely going to get really good economic boosts without being involved in wars much besides their own immense psyop campaigns.
So they need Ukraine to look like Nazis. They needed the US to look like Nazis and Germany with the AfD. Now all of Israel needs to look like genocidal PoS.
Now Saudi Arabia and Iran can point out to the rest of the world, all the neutral countries, and say hey look! Nazis, and they are invading Gaza and Canada and Panama and Greenland! We must act!
Like think - why did Trump never mention expansionism until now? Because Putin didn't need him to.
Think - why are there GLOBAL PROTESTS over Russian election interference including in Georgia and Romania and today in Slovakia? We've had confirmed Russia collusion since at least 2016 in the US and last memo confirming this for both Russia and Iran was released on 12/31/34 via the Treasury department.
It's not simplistic - it's quite complex and the BRICS countries themselves are infighting, as I already said in my previous post. I also never stated there should be a 2 party thing, good guy or bad guy thing, or that I was a Democrat (I'm not, so I'm not BlueAnon or whatever stupid psyop phrase is trying to demonize normal, critical thinking Americans). There is simply a hostile foreign invasion happening and people deserve to know so they can stay safe and be informed.
If you dont want to be informed, then fine. ADDITIONALLY, I curse you and anyone like you to experience the full effects of Putin and Trump first, including being sent to Guantanmo and starving. May you live in the world you helped to create and wanted. My curse to you.
Here's Epstein talking to Michael Wolff about his bestie, Trump: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/episode-22-jeffrey-epstein-and-donald-trump/id1750757108?i=1000675243446
This was in my original Russia post but you didn't bother to read it or American Kompromat.
Here's a Katie Johnson summary: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/3/13501364/trump-rape-13-year-old-lawsuit-katie-johnson-allegation
Gee, I think this is the type of man to have some blackmail on him, yeah. This doesn't even include stuff with E Jean Carroll, the rape of Ivana that was documented in their divorce filings, or Stormy Daniels. Yes, this is exactly the type of man who accrues blackmail on himself.
As for the BRICS analysis- why do my comments need to include every move by every country? I've given an overview. I also exploctly stated India is doing massive psyops - why dismiss that? China is flying spy balloons over Taiwan as we speak and their annexation of Hong Kong was not peaceful.
They are literally giving Nazis UBI via crypto funding specifically to cause unrest. The Nazi movement is because they are getting an injection of cash by people like Elon, not because every day people are converting over due to bad circumstances. That's actually a lie - most crimes, especially violent crimes, are not committed by the poor (eg look at Buddhist monks with nothing), they are committed by the wealthy with everything. It is immorality and false entitlement, not poverty, that causes violence and crimes.
That you are spewing Putin propaganda is too bad. What he did to Navalny and the murders of many in Russia are despicable. The violence of people like Putin, MBS, and Assad again shows its not the poor who murder and grave rob the most.
I'm not cheering you going to their precious camps, I am saying that if that's the world you want, then that is the world you will get. Karma. The Golden Rule for the Golden Age. You will be treated as you treat others and as you have requested. If you want to escape the curse, you have to genuinely be a good person and put out and advocate for good things. You'll have to stop defending bloodthirsty dictators.
Does that mean I can automatically assume that anyone who was friends with Epstein is being blackmailed by Putin? It's still complete speculation. You can't just build a worldview around such shoddy assumptions.
Because you seem to be accusing every BRICS country as being in on this secret, nonsensical scheme to start WWIII. Since you excluded India, I'm wondering which countries specifically are included in the scheme.
Because I'm focusing on all the stuff you said that's nonsense. Every country does psyops, not sure what's particularly significant about it.
Not balloons!
Their "annexation" of their own territory was not a war. That's like saying the BLM protests were a war.
Of course, we need to ignore observable material conditions and chalk everything up to secret untraceable payments with zero evidence. Again, this is nothing but a conspiracy theory.
That's not what I actually said. I said it was the economic conditions. The petty bourgeois class is most inclined towards fascism, not necessarily the poorest.
I'm curious about where you think the Nazis came from originally, as well as where Putin came from. It seems like your conspiracy theory is designed to completely absolve everyone of the guilt of fascism, to pretend that it doesn't arise naturally from societies or people but only when they're "paid to become fascists" by others. But in order for there to pay people to become fascists, there has to be a mechanism for fascism to emerge organically. If it can emerge organically, it seems more plausible to attribute its emergence to that instead of these secret conspiracies with zero evidence. I assume some sort of Great Man Theory, where one person randomly comes to power and hypnotizes their country regardless of material class interests
It's literally in both the sources American Kompromat and Active Measures. YES we can assume Trump is being blackmailed by Putin. Michael Wolff (who's never been sued by Trump) additionally asserts this in his book and podcast Fire and Fury. Go look. 99% of this conversation would not be happening if you'd just look at those sources.
Again, I didn't exclude India - I said they were involved in psyop campaigns. And lol now we're going from "you're crazy," to "everyone knows that obviously every country does psyop campaigns online." Lol
Yeah, hostile military equipment in airspace they know they are not permitted to be in, while claiming sovereignty to that land... like why dismiss this? Genuinely. Do you have some reason to think China WON'T invade Taiwan after literally expressing interest constantly in just that?
If you trade crypto, you can see easily that these currencies are being manipulated in concert with the psyop campaigns you yourself claim obviously every country does. They also need crypto to transfer money to intelligence across international borders. Finally, it's been known for some time that state agencies are involved in massive crypto trading including El Salvador who recently made Bitcoin part of their national currency (and then recently walked some of that back).
Who is giving out $100mil USD in crypto to Nazi coins except someone like Elon Musk? Really, go look at top trading coins, their market cap, and see how far down before you encounter some racist shit. It's absolutely a concerted effort to reward these people. $10mil on MLK coin that is happy about his head shot isn't small money. You can analyze connected wallets and literally see them networking together. Look at Trump's coin and how it is artificially traded. Look at how Tesla (not crypto obv) as been artificially propped up. Yes they move massive amounts of money.
I literally didn't say they were paid to be fascists. I said fascists were given UBI to enable their fascist bullshit. That's different.
Fascism is simply narcissistic abuse scaled up and made to fit politics and the abuse is carried out on an official scale, usually by a network of narcissists. Cults are also scaled up narcissistic abuse and that is why cults and fascism overlap. Narcissistic abuse operates on many different parameters - eg religious narcissism, gender narcissism, racial narcissism, physical narcissism, etc - and subsections of those. Narcissism is not a disease or mental illness, it's a belief set. That is why it cannot be "treated" with medication- you'd have to brainwash them a la conversion therapy etc. Because it's not a disease, it's genuine beliefs including false entitlement and delusions which are sometimes validated by narcissistic abuse structures.
Eg a racial narcissist may have several delusional beliefs about race. They may believe they are entitled to certain thing due to their race. They may believe that it is important to hurt others to show superiority. They may also be an intellectual narcissist and ableist (ability narcissist) and tie that together as a delusion of intellectual capabilities and race. This causes a thinking loop where the original delusional thought (that a race is better than another) is protected by further narcissism (I am intellectually and racially superior so I do not need to listen to anyone else). They will enforce this belief set systemicly (fascism), religiously (cult), and interpersonally (abuse), to get narcissistic supply to confirm their delusions. They also network with other narcissists for narcissistic supply.
Ergo, it's not surprising Trump and Putin are narcissists using each other to get what they want, along with Elon and Epstein and Kanye and Tucker Carlson etc. It's not surprising all those men have abuse allegations. Its all intrinsically tied together.
It also ties into what a boundary is and conditional and unconditional love. It's funny we call them emotional boundaries, a very apt name, because narcissists will even invade the boundaries of countries. A boundary to a narcissist is a threat to their self and their own power, whereas a noundaryto everyone else just shows us where the other person is at and is not particularly threatening.
It's also not nonsensical from the rest of the non-Western world to topple the west. We've been doing it to everyone else and they are tired of it. They all get a lot out of the deal that they want, especially the US being out of their way, and that's worth a lot. Like literally to Iran and Saudi Arabia, they think it's their right to invade Israel if they want. Or China to South China Sea and Taiwan. It genuinely upsets them and the West has done very little to help smooth things out.
Oh and last last - conspiracy doesn't make something inaccurate or incorrect. Jan 6 was a conspiracy, for instance. People can indeed conspire. It's genuinely silly to think countries that are literally openly conspiring by joining BRICS, the stated purpose of which is to reduce the west's power, would not be working together to reduce the west's power.
Stated purpose, eh? Where do they state this?
https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/what-brics-group-and-why-it-expanding
Lol. It is quite literally its purpose.
LMAO, that's CFR! A US foreign policy think tank!
You said that it was BRICS "stated purpose." That means that BRICS explicitly, openly states that that's it's purpose. But that's not true. That's just more speculation about hidden motives, like everything else you've said.
And it's a really important point. BRICS is just an economic agreement, not some kind of military alliance like NATO or the Comintern. Many nations in BRICS have good relations with Western powers and are only interested in their own economic advancement and development, regardless of who they're trading with. Which is part of why I asked about countries such as Brazil and South Africa, and why you have completely refused to answer whether they're "in on it" or not.
Might I remind you that this speculation about their motives is foundational to your entire worldview? You have no explanation for why anyone would be trying to start WWIII other than that "reducing the west's power," is allegedly the "stated purpose" of BRICS - but that statement comes from fucking CFR, not BRICS! Imagine if I said, "NATO is trying to start WWIII because it's stated purpose is to reduce the power of non-Western countries," and my source for that "stated purpose" was a Chinese think tank. Of course, even if it were true, there's still an enormous leap to go from "reducing the power of the West through mutually beneficial economic agreements" and "conspiring to start WWIII."
So let's see, BRICS is secretly conspiring to destroy the West (speculation) and start WWIII (specilation), Putin is secretly blackmailing Trump (speculation) and secretly controlling Hamas (speculation) and secretly forcing Israel to commit genocide (speculation, insane claim), and every Nazi/far-right movement in the world is only rising in power because they're being secretly funded by Putin (speculation). Have I got that right?
Some people choose the Illuminati or the Freemasons or lizard people. It's just a chain of speculation, each one assumed to be 100% true and then used to build further and further into absurd conclusions based on nothing. The only real difference is that because you blame the US's geopolitical rivals, you have the US propaganda apparatus enabling your beliefs.
I didn't say Putin was secretly forcing Israel to commit genocide, I think that's voluntary on Netanyahu's part.
We are already in WW3. Ukraine with North Korea soldiers made it WW3 already. Wars are also economic.
Putin blackmailing Trump isn't speculation. Again, go look at the 3 sources I linked: Active Measures, Fire&Fury Epstein Episodes, and American Kompromat by Unger. He is 100% being blackmailed by Putin. So is Tucker Carlson and Elon.
I already linked sources showing you that Russia has indeed been working with Hamas. That is not speculation.
I have linked sources in my first Russia post from numerous entities that yes, crypto is indeed being used to fund right wing extremists around the world. You yourself can just use your own eyeballs on Solana and see all the racist coins.
BRICS again as a stated purpose is destabilizing the west, probably yes for economic reasons. Many wars have been fought for economic reasons.
https://english.news.cn/20241021/ece47b75436047999ff2a474f88862b3/c.html
https://carnegieendowment.org/research/2023/12/the-difficult-realities-of-the-brics-dedollarization-effortsand-the-renminbis-role?lang=en
https://www.isas.nus.edu.sg/papers/indias-role-in-the-brics-navigating-the-balance-in-a-changing-world/#%3A%7E%3Atext=India%27s+participation+in+the+BRICS+reflects+its+broader+foreign+policy%2Cits+relationships+with+major+powers.
https://responsiblestatecraft.org/2023/08/07/heres-why-brazil-is-a-major-holdout-against-brics-expansion/
Look, their own stated purpose right there. See how long this is though and how my comments are already so long I don't have time to go into the nuance of each country and why? If you're so curious, go read their own quotes about it. Or at least ask politely and say thank you when I answer. Even reddit used to feign politeness better than this.
Very interesting of you to try to medicalize me and control the narrative here. Why not just argue in good faith?