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‘In a real sense, US democracy has died’: how Trump is emulating Hungary’s Orbán
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To be fair, "Gender Ideology" is fucking craziness. Additionally, there has been this weird constantly pervasive push to just simply be anti-american, anti-colonial, anti-stability and anti-sanity.
We're a colonial nation, and the constant push to tear that down has worn on for a very long time. I can see how these kinds of people have been created. I don't agree with many of the things they do, but I am saying I understand how they managed to get that way.
Yeah well the US might have been founded as a colonial nation, but that doesn't mean it has to stay that way forever.
Similar to how when there's a new virus around, you might fall sick once or twice, but you're expected to eventually recover and develop immunity to this particular virus. Similarly, the US immigrant population has literally overrun the country 300 years ago, but that does not mean that the mindset and the attitudes of that times are expected to stay around forever. Because honestly, they are a disease in many ways, if one considers many of the symptoms and side-effects.
So there's this funny thing about colour. I'm not talking about race here. Actual colours. Wherein certain languages always seem to have the same colours when they only have a certain number of base words for colours. When the language has words for only two colours, these usually correspond to light and dark. Black and white.
I'm still not talking about race.
And when there's three, the third is always red.
Then if there's another it's yellow or green.
Then if there's five, they're generally the other one from above and then blue.
Then you get an old and heavily moulded language like English with hundreds of colour names.
But there are languages which only discern only two colours.
Has the penny dropped yet?
Decrying gender ideology is like saying that there's only light and dark. "What's all this 'red' business? And don't get me started on green."
Now I'm certainly not going to tell people whose languages lack words for primary colours that they're backward, because they have other ways of describing those things, or can learn names from other languages.
But if someone from one of those cultures was to insist that there's only two and can't accept that other languages break things up into separate categories, that's denying a fact, and that's a problem.
And if they get violent and start painting things black and white because "that's all there is", that's an even bigger problem.
Do you understand yet?
"But black can't change to white and white can't change to black!!1!"
Not all things are the same colour all the way through. What's on the outside is not necessarily representative of what's going on on the inside. This here red apple, sorry, dark apple, is light on the inside.
And now it's illegal to peel an apple.
This example is great, because it shows where there is sanity, and order. In each of your examples - things lined up naturally, without explanation across language, borders, sex, color, etc. Red, Green, etc all mapped perfectly across all of those instances, without people having to learn something new for each individual person. You say Blue = Azul, that's a ruleset that spans the WHOLE language instantly. You learn it once, and you know it. Hell, you also just learned it in Portugese...
Gender identity is none of that. Every person with their own gender identity has their own special rules for their version of the subject. Each set of rules is unique to that individual, and they expect everyone around them to know those rules that are internal to them. (Primarily because Gender Identity circles are these huge echo-chambers which refuse to interact with anyone who doesn't 200% agree with them) -- Now imagine each and every person you met had a different word for Blue. Now imagine that you can't keep all of that straight in your head and you just call the color "Blue" in your own tongue. And the person on the other side of the conversation gets IRRATIONALLY angry at you. THAT is Gender Identity.
That's not going to fly. You don't get to dictate the behaviors and actions of those around you. If someone meets you and they immediately need a 10 minute education on how they need to alter their OWN identity in order to keep you from flying off the handle, then you're not sane.
If gender identity followed a set of rules (it doesn't) then it would be much easier to grasp and understand for the world. But it's not - it's a mental illness. Or...maybe it looks like a mental illness because we don't have the words to describe what people are trying to convey, but it has no similarities at all to the thing you describe.
Until the subject of Gender identities can unify into a simple to grasp thing that can have logic applied to it, people aren't going to accept it.
I had a perfect conversation with a community of trans individuals about this. If a man has kids, and then considers himself a woman -- what does he want to be called in relation to those kids? A father? A mother?
Turns out, nobody in the community could agree on what they wanted to be referred to in the past-tense. They all had their own unique flavor of what they would have preferred. So nobody, rational or otherwise, would ever be able to discern the proper way to approach the subject in the presence of theoretical individual. (It was a thought experiment that the community I was speaking with participated in thoughtfully and respectfully, and some people actually respected and attempted to understand the other side of things, which was incredibly refreshing. It hasn't happened since - which is sad - but I quite enjoyed that community)
THAT'S the craziness. That's the problem with Gender Identity. Unless it has an easily understood set of rules, people will not adopt it. We want to convey information, and move on. We don't want to first learn how you would PREFER we convey the information - we need a set of rules that we can quickly and broadly apply, so that we aren't throwing a wrench into the gears of our brains.
That goes doubly true with as many autistic and adhd people also cross over here. Especially for people with autism and other mental issues (myself included) - that juggling of special rules represents a real struggle.
But it doesn't map perfectly. That's the point of the comment you replied to. In my native language, "blue" isn't one word. If you say "blue" and I need to translate that, I need to ask whether you mean lighter or darker shade of blue, because those are straight up two different words. And it's perfectly natural to me because I grew up speaking that language. But I also understand that not all languages have that distinction and sometimes it needs to be explicitly clarified.
Yep. Fuck your pronouns. I'll make a logical assumption, correct myself if asked to. Not going to fucking seek your preference. Fuck they.
I'm ALREADY on your side! FFS give it a fucking rest already. There are plenty of others hurting without the constant wailing, "What about ME!"
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I'm so done. These motherfuckers, arguing about bullshit when their very lives are on the line. STFU already. Been blocking all the non-stop trans posts and comms. It's overwhelming.
tl;dr: I'm with you, but you aren't with me. Fight among yourselves. I'll help if I can.
I feel like that term is ambiguous.
Are you saying that gender ideology is crazy as in 'It's crazy that all these gender abolitionists are trying to force a complex ideology of new gender norms' or that it's crazy as in 'it's nuts that all these people think that any change in gender norms is part of a New World Order conspiracy to indoctrinate their kids and dissolve male authority in order to collapse civlization and turn everyone into livestock for the J*ws' ?
It's not clear where in that fog you're pointing.