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I have problems with people who abstained. The hard thing is, how do you change voter behavior?

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[–] moon@lemmy.ml 13 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

you guys continue to gaslight what it effectively was

You keep using that word but I'm not sure you know what means.

What it wasn't was an opportunity to change the system by making a political statement

I'm not even advocating for people to vote third party or boycott the election. I'm just making the argument that if a political party wants a group of people's votes, they should court those people. If they fail to do so, and those people choose not to vote for them, the political party only has itself to blame

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

if a political party wants a group of people’s votes, they should court those people. If they fail to do so, and those people choose not to vote for them, the political party only has itself to blame

You seem to understand this, yet apparently cannot accept that you are not the only group that the party wants (read: needs) to court.

As shitty as it is, the Israel lobby has a stranglehold on politics in the US. Both major parties are beholden to them, and need to bend over backwards to try to keep these groups happy, otherwise their campaign is dead in the water. That is facts.

The reality is, in this case, those two groups are mutually exclusive. You cannot appease both (you will just end up alienating them all). One of those groups is much larger and far more influential than the other, and has the power and will to destroy your chances of winning.

They courted the second group because its literally the only possible way they can win.

Despite what lemmy might have you believe, leftist thought is not the default in most of the US.

Become big enough and influential enough that you need to be courted, otherwise they have no reason to give a shit what you think.

[–] moon@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 days ago

The Israel lobby has a stranglehold on politics in the US. Both major parties are beholden to them, and need to bend over backwards to try to keep these groups happy, otherwise their campaign is dead in the water

The assertion that the Israel lobby would destroy Biden for simply calling a ceasefire after unequivocally supporting Israel's post-October 7 actions, is utterly unfounded. The kind of strong condemnation of the Zionist project that would make AIPAC walk is something Biden/Harris would never do.

On the pro-Palestine side, my view is that all the Harris campaign had to show was progress, either a ceasefire or a policy break with Biden, to get most of the protesters back on side. But I'm not 100% on whether she had the political skill to walk that tightrope.

I do think you make my point for me, though. The party did the calculus, and came out on the side that they see AIPAC support as more valuable than the pro-Palestine vote. With that in mind, the party should own that decision and not vilify the voters they scorned for not supporting them anyway. People would be a lot less angry if they just accept that they got the strategy wrong in Michigan and commit to doing things differently next time. But they won't, because this is a party that never learns its lessons.

[–] TheObviousSolution@kbin.melroy.org -5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Don't worry, the US looks like US voters won't have to worry about being able to have any effective choice for much longer.

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] TheObviousSolution@kbin.melroy.org 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

No amount of exposure to news will convince people like you of your narrative. But how does your mental lapse even work? First, you gaslight about Democrats, then you claim to be aware of what the GQP is going to do, and now after demonizing or recognizing as bad any of the two choices you have you now try to argue that you have a choice? Consistency is not your forté.

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 days ago

Didnt say any of that. You can be right and still over react, you know that right?