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[–] FelixCress@lemmy.world 26 points 4 days ago (27 children)

Freedom of speech is not a freedom to lie.

[–] slickgoat@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Damn, now you got me defending fucking Musk on this issue.

Freedom of speech is also the freedom to lie. However, that just means the state can't arrest you for your speech. Nobody owes you a platform for your free speech.

That said, Elon Musk is a turd sandwich.

[–] _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 4 days ago (1 children)

No, freedom of speech doesn't protect you against false statements. There's literally a ton of other laws that penalize that, depending on the context. Purgery, slander, libel, breach of contract, just to name a few.

[–] slickgoat@lemmy.world -3 points 4 days ago

I already said that there were limitations to free speech earlier. But untruth is also protected under the US Constitution. It all relates to a possibility of harm.

If i said that I was the Easter Bunny, it would be a lie, but who is harmed by it?

If I falsely yell fire in a crowded theatre and people get trampled, then harm, or a risk of harm is evident.

These are all standard arguments on free speech. But, yes, there are many carve outs where an untrue statement is protected under law. I just don't have the time or inclination to list them all. You can check them out yourself.

[–] FelixCress@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago (19 children)

Freedom of speech is also the freedom to lie

Again, it is not. Freedom of speech is a freedom to receive information and exchange ideas. Not a freedom to lie.

Are you a USian by any chance? They quite often misunderstand what freedom of speech is.

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[–] Natanael@infosec.pub -1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

In legal terms it is (with the obvious exceptions for impersonation, defamation, etc)

But in private forums? Mods can be however strict they want

[–] FelixCress@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

It isn't - unless your comment applies just to the USA, otherwise read the UN definition of freedom of speech.

Are you a another USian by any chance? I noticed people from USA have completly skewed definition of freedom of speech which may partially explain why Trump is able to get away with his constant lies.

[–] Natanael@infosec.pub -1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Tell me where fiction is illegal to publish

[–] FelixCress@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Are you a little bit slow?

Freedom of speech does not cover lies. It doesn't mean lies are illegal - it only means they are NOT protected under the freedom of speech - which means they can be banned or made illegal if individual states decides to do so.

Furthermore there is plethora of situations in which lies are illegal in multiple countries. As a matter of example, in the UK lying when you are selling something is called "fraudulent misrepresentation" and it is a criminal offence.

[–] Natanael@infosec.pub -3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Tell me where scientists are prosecuted for having got a theory wrong

Tell me where meteorologists routinely are prosecuted

I already mentioned the obvious exceptions (lying to cause certain types of harm) but few western countries allow penalties for anything outside those exceptions

[–] FelixCress@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Tell me where scientists are prosecuted for having got a theory wrong

Tell me where meteorologists routinely are prosecuted

Are you more than a little bit slow?

Do you see the difference between "lies NOT protected" and "lies criminalised"? And BTW I just gave you an example of a criminalised lie.

[–] Natanael@infosec.pub -1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

So you're admitting you didn't read any of my comments, and that you don't understand that only very narrow types of lies are criminalized while the vast majority are not

Hint: read my first comment again

And then again

And then again, and notice the parentheses this time. Then ask somebody to explain it to you.

[–] FelixCress@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

And then again, and notice the parentheses this time. Then ask somebody to explain it to you.

For fuck sake. Let me tell you one thing: you are an idiot - not a name calling, just a realistic assessment of your intellectual capabilities.

[–] Natanael@infosec.pub -1 points 3 days ago

Told you that you should've asked someone to explain

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