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Since Trump, I'm finding the Lemmy.world experience to be increasingly akin to an echo chamber and it's quite frankly starting to bore me. (Inb4, I'm a left winger and I don't like Trump, but I'm much more interested in a good spirited debate or novel points of view than I am in Orange man bad Nazi circle jerks)

If I wanted the same repetitive comments to be upvoted and any different opinion at all to be downvoted and even blocked/banned, I'd have just stayed on Reddit.

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[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

Your constant insistence that I'm incoherent is acerbic and I have no patience for it.

For anyone else still reading, I suggest you go and read anarchist accounts of why they feel they're constantly betrayed by MLs in russia and kronstadt, Ukraine, Spain and petty much everywhere they made the mistake to ally with the mls for the sake of the revolution. Sorry but I don't have the time to counter revisionism in lemmy

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

Fair enough, but I think that goes both ways. You usually make a claim, then when pressed act vague about it. I admire your work on the Piracy communities and your FOSS development quite a bit, but I don't think you act honestly when it comes to political conversations, such as jumping to labeling Marxists "fascist" without elaborating.

Also kinda silly to bring up Kronstadt, which was led by a Tsarist in the middle of a civil war, with plans to execute the Communists.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Yes yes we know the lies told about it. Again, people can go and read on their own about the slaughter of anarchists that happened there.

I didn't call Marxists fascists. I called Lenin's and Stalin's regime red fash.

And I don't act vague, I just don't have the patience to reopen 100 old debates

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

"Lies?" It's on Wikipedia, lol. As for Marxism, I genuinely don't know what mythical form of Marxism you think is "real" Marxism in your eyes, again, read Blackshirts and Reds.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

Links to Wikipedia Wikipedia talks about an anarcho syndicalist. Whatever man

Edit : lol you reported me

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

An "anarcho-syndicalist" that a year prior tried to join the White Army, and a year after did join the White Army. Some "anarchist."

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

And that supports your argument how exactly? Oh no! Humans are flawed and can make weird decisions after massive trauma? Not to be mention 1 man is not all sailors. Quickly grasp at the first excuse to validate your slaughter. As red Emma said at the time, "Trotsky protests too much...."

To anyone still reading, this sort of truth stretching to defend the indefensible is why I don't trust campists

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

You're defending a Tsarist that tried to deliberately sabotage the Soviets during a bloody Civil War, and later joined the Tsarist army as a means to kill more Soviets, as "weird decisions after massive trauma?" Won't anyone think of the poor, poor Tsarists, woe are they...

To mirror you: To anyone still reading, this sort of truth stretching to defend the indefensible is why I don’t trust campists

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

Keep protesting too much as well. No anarchists believes this garbage but we remember and we learned...