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Donald Trump has suggested large numbers of Palestinians should leave Gaza to “just clean out” the whole strip, after ordering the US military to restart shipments of 2,000lb bombs to Israel.

The US president said he wanted Gaza residents to move to neighbouring nations, and that they could be displaced “temporarily or could be long-term”, after a phone call with Jordan’s King Abdullah on Saturday.

“I said to him: I’d love you to take on more because I’m looking at the whole Gaza Strip right now and it’s a mess, it’s a real mess. I’d like him to take people,” Trump said, when asked about the call.

He also suggested Egypt as a destination for Gaza residents, and said he would raise the issue with President Abdel Fatah al-Sisi on Sunday.

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[–] drthunder@midwest.social 77 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

Here are my thoughts:

  • Israel has been committing genocide in Gaza since day 1, they just pick up the pace sometimes
  • Every US president this century has enabled this
  • Biden and Harris were all on board with the current round of fast genocide and they should be remembered for it
  • Trump pretends to be anti-war but emboldened this shit by moving the US embassy to Jerusalem in 2018 or 19
  • Netanyahu wanted Trump to win, as evidenced by meeting him during the campaign last year
  • Any ceasefire supposedly happening right now is entirely to give Trump good press. He's going to give Israel even more support for their imperialist bullshit than Biden did and Harris would have
  • Because Trump won, the federal government is going after immigrants, nonwhite people, LGBT people, etc, and is going to further tear the good parts of the government down

I'm pretty disillusioned with the Democrats between the imperialism and almost completely giving in to the fascist takeover, but I wouldn't be looking to get out of the country if Harris had won, so thanks for that if you could have voted and didn't.

edit: I voted Uncommitted in the primary, helped out at my local Gaza camp, and have gone to rallies and distributed books about Palestine, so I'm not just sitting here at my computer saying all this

[–] ToadOfHypnosis@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Exactly. Why can’t people vote for the lesser evil in the short term and push for change after the election too. There was no scenario where the protest vote didn’t give us a far worse option. As bad as Biden was on Gaza, he capitulated more than Trump ever will. Plus, one issue voting is just an insane mindset in a winner take all electoral system like America.

[–] drthunder@midwest.social 3 points 2 days ago

I saw a take a few months ago that voting third party isn't voting your conscience, voting your conscience is going against what you really want to do, to do what will actually result in the least harm happening. Our system of government is absolute trash but until it changes (and we should all be pushing for it to change) this is what we've got.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world -2 points 2 days ago

Why can’t people vote for the lesser evil in the short term and push for change after the election too.

They did that in 2020 and the lesser evil told them to go fuck themselves, policy-wise.

[–] Wanderer@lemm.ee 2 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Honestly. And I mean honestly.

Why is America so be bed with Israel? Is it just purely a tactical location or is there way more underhand shit we can't talk about because if you call someone out for doing something they shouldn't and they are Jewish then you're a Nazi?

People must be getting bribes and threats and more people in the government must care about Israel than the number of people that care about Palestinian.

Surely people don't care that much about that patch of sand.

[–] ToadOfHypnosis@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 days ago

AIPAC Lobby money. America is very corrupt.

[–] finder585@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Why is America so be bed with Israel?

Real talk: This is why: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Israel

[–] Wanderer@lemm.ee 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Part of that is a self feeding prophecy.

American companies, such as Intel, Microsoft, and Apple built their first overseas research and development facilities in Israel.

Like no reason they couldn't have chosen the UK or Australia.

[–] finder585@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

couldn’t have chosen the UK or Australia.

Israel has a large IT and ComSci talent pool to draw from.

[–] SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Are you asking why they are in bed with Israel? It's our window into directly destabilizing the middle east.

[–] Wanderer@lemm.ee 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Does that mean in 20 years or so when solar is king and wind is a strong second and the middle east is in obscurity america will stop caring about Israel, you think?

I think they will care less. But I don't know how much less.

[–] SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee 0 points 1 day ago

Not sure. It would take glassing a hostile country or even making democracy happen in those countries could lessen the extent. But religious zealotry and terrorism kind of make a it difficult for people to stop caring.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world -1 points 2 days ago

almost completely giving in to the fascist takeover

Did you see the pictures of Kamala and Mike Johnson smiling as they watched the vote count on January 6?