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In a Fox News interview, Donald Trump argued that Ukraine should not have resisted Russia’s 2022 invasion, claiming Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy should have made a deal with Vladimir Putin.

Trump criticized Zelenskyy for choosing to fight, compared the military strength of Russia and Ukraine, and said he could have ended the war quickly through negotiations.

Trump’s stance contrasts with Joe Biden's strong support for Ukraine, including aid and sanctions on Russia.

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[–] DrFistington@lemmy.world 216 points 3 days ago (4 children)

So Ukraine, hear me out... Eliminate Trump and Putin during the negotiations, blame it on someone else. Everyone will thank you, and we'll get over it.

[–] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 127 points 3 days ago (4 children)

I'm sure at this point if Zelenskyy pulled out a wellrod, popped both of them and said "Slava Ukraini" there would be a round of applause.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 60 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

If he does this, I'm getting Heroiam Slava tattooed on my chest.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 26 points 3 days ago (2 children)

i honestly don't think anyone would put him to trial. like suddenly everyone you know was with the president of ukraine at the time of the incident. and sure, that's not what questions the ICC would be asking, but that's what we'd all be saying

[–] DrFistington@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

Exactly I mean, the USA isn't going to start a war with an ally over a shitbag placeholder president like Trump. As for Russia they're already fucking war so what are they going to do? If anything set it up so it looks like a Russian assassination attempt on Z went wrong and got Putin and Trump instead. United States should have been at war with Russia since 2016 anyway. Now would be a great time to join in considering Russian combat capacity is at nearly zero, and they're currently utilizing the zap branigan meat wave tactic.

At this point if that actually happened China would take a long hard look and go no thank you sir. They ain't doing shit to defend Russia. Hell, if we promised them a portion of it, they'd help us take it

[–] whostosay@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

I'm indefinitely with him at a pizza party

[–] Walk_blesseD@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Firstly, he'd need two Welrods. Those things aren't exactly quick to reload.

[–] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 days ago

I'm sure the British would oblige him.

[–] palordrolap@fedia.io 9 points 3 days ago (2 children)

It would almost certainly be a requirement to prosecute and then likely lock Zelenskyy up if he did that, even if he might be doing us all a favour. And even the nicest prison is still a prison.

It would be better if there was a way to have the targets neutralise each other.

[–] Nollij@sopuli.xyz 20 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Requirement from whom? Who would enforce it?

I know the obvious answer is the ICC, but they currently have warrants for both Putin and Netanyahu, so clearly that's not an effective threat.

[–] Kitathalla@lemy.lol 5 points 3 days ago

Vance. I think he and his puppet masters would love the excuse to join with putin's past allies. Russia gets the land, united states of stupid gets ~~half the resources~~ contracts to aid in building the 'infrastructure' and such to process the resources.

[–] palordrolap@fedia.io 0 points 3 days ago

Straight up killing a known criminal is not the accepted way to mete out justice, no matter how right it seems. We have (international) courts for a reason, even when the case is open and shut, and even if the same courtesy would be unlikely if the situation was reversed.

[–] DrFistington@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Nah, make the entire operation look like a Russian assassination plot on Z went wrong. People in US intelligence that are currently involved with Ukraine would definitely help facilitate that story.

[–] NocturnalEngineer@lemmy.world 31 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Downside is you'll have JD Vance as president. Unsure that'll be any better.

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 47 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Vance has a brain, which is both scarier and more reassuring at the same time.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 71 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Vance has no political capital like Trump. He doesn't have a cult he can use to threaten to primary people. Once Trump is gone all of this loses momentum.

[–] jaybone@lemmy.world 21 points 3 days ago

Will be interesting to watch the power vacuum when Trump dies. It will be a great opportunity for the democrats to make progress. I’m sure they’ll find a way to fuck that up too.

[–] Absaroka@lemmy.world 22 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I'm not sure anybody would rally behind him. He had the lowest likability score of any VP pick since 2000 - even below Sarah "I Can See Russia From My House!" Palin.

[–] psmgx@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago

Palin was rocking the MILF vibe and, for better or worse, took her conservative creds mostly seriously.

Vance is date rapey, nakedly ambitious, and completely owned by Thiel.

[–] BlueLineBae@midwest.social 16 points 3 days ago (1 children)

JD Vance only eats the cat food part of lucky charms pass it on

[–] DicJacobus@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

OK. good. good.

[–] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 25 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You'll have millions/billions of people willing to be your alibi. "According to people calling in, Zelensky was at 300,000 bars, sleeping on 1,250,000 couches, and attending 13 Bar Mitvahs that night, so he couldn't have killed Trump and Putin."

[–] qarbone@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago

"Absolutely top-notch guy. Literally omnipresent.

Like me and all my friends were having individualized, concurrent, and meaningful bottle episodes with the guy.

Just the consummate gentleman."

[–] Nollij@sopuli.xyz 4 points 3 days ago (2 children)

The problem is who will replace them. Does Putin even have an official successor (like the US VP), or would this create a power vacuum?

[–] meeeeetch@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago

The Prime Minister is de jure the acting president in case of a vacancy. Given the strength of legal institutions in Russia Mikhail Mishustin would have some work ahead of him to actually hold power.

[–] DrFistington@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

So believe it or not back when the USA had its shit together we had this thing called the CIA and boy were they pretty good at identifying and exploiting power vacuums to the advantage of our country.