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[Meta] !privacy@lemmy.dbzer0.com is under new management, feel free to join us there (lemmy.zip)
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!privacy@lemmy.dbzer0.com

Hello everyone,

After a discussion on !fedigrow@lemm.ee ( https://feddit.org/post/6950586 ), a few people interested in privacy decided to reopen !privacy@lemmy.dbzer0.com as an alternative to !privacy@lemmy.ml .

It's also nice to have a privacy community on an instance that can be accessed via VPNs.

Feel free to join us there!

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[–] Blaze@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Hello @db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com @unruffled@lemmy.dbzer0.com, could you please clarify?

From what I understood, promoting privacy services which allow to pay in crypto is OK, but not to promote cryptocurrencies themselves?

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'm ok with people promoting services which accept cryptocurrencies (hell, Lemmy itself accepts crypto donations). However promoting cryptocurrencies itself is a no-no in our instance.

Also: Crypto is a not private. The blockchain is public.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com -1 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Crypto is a not private. The blockchain is public.

Not necessarily true for all ledgers, such as monero.

https://www.getmonero.org/get-started/faq/#anchor-different

Monero uses three different privacy technologies: ring signatures, ring confidential transactions (RingCT), and stealth addresses. These hide the sender, amount, and receiver in the transaction, respectively. All transactions on the network are private by mandate; there is no way to accidentally send a transparent transaction. This feature is exclusive to Monero. You do not need to trust anyone else with your privacy.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Monero users can and have been deanonymized by the police. Monero also acts as a de-facto tumbler, meaning by using it, you're money laundering for criminals as a matter of course.

[–] LWD@lemm.ee 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Crypto is a not private. The blockchain is public.

Not necessarily true for all ledgers, such as monero.

Necessarily true for Monero. Theirs is public too, freely available for anyone to download and analyze. The rest of your response did not refute this. An honest response might have been "transactions are public, but..." and you could have laid out your rebuttal, but denying a fact and following it up with irrelevant PR does not make me more confident in the project.

That, and the simple explanation that evangelizing Monero has a perverse incentive I hadn't even considered (it benefits money launderers in addition to speculators) makes me trust it all the less.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 3 points 2 days ago

I'm not trying to defend monero here, but the ability to have a conversation about such things.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

but not to promote cryptocurrencies themselves

My core complaint still stands, digital fungible money is part of the privacy conversation. Especially threat modeling for people.

[–] Blaze@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 days ago

Personally it's okay with me. Feel free to have a look at the previous thread (https://feddit.org/post/6950586), but long story short

Lemmy.dbzer0 has a very good record of stability and management. If we need to discuss crypto in a dedicated discussion, why not. To be fair, I expect some backlash of any pro-crypto discussions in a general privacy community anyway.