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Oh, I have absolutely no trouble believing the progressive left lost to idiots. This is because I think the progressive left (esp. in the USA, but also in Canada and the UK, and only slightly less so most of Europe) are even worse.
Historically it has been labour that has been the core (and the shock troops) of the left. Labour spilled its blood for rights. Labour had the power, when organized, to shut down the wealthy. Can you guess who the "progressives" in the anglosphere (and to a lesser extent in Europe) have been alienating? (Hint: it's the dumbest possible group for leftists to alienate.)
The progressive left also has problems making a compelling narrative to counter the lying narratives of the right. During Brexit, for example, the right had a (bullshit-infused) narrative of how there was going to be a shining city on the hill if only the chains of the European Parliament weren't dragging Britain down. It was all bullshit, of course. Their numbers were fantasy. Their stories ranged from being just plain wrong to flat-out lines. But the key is they had a story. They had a vision. And they sold it well.
The progressive left had only one consistent and heartfelt message: "If you vote Leave you're a racist."
Shockingly this didn't prevent people from voting Leave, and given the rather sharp spike in searches on "what does Brexit mean?"-style queries on search engines immediately after Brexit won, it was pretty clear people weren't voting for Brexit but rather against the Remain side. This is such a wet slap that it should have woken all thoughtful progressives and made them rethink their strategy. Sadly there's not a lot of thoughtful progressives because just a short time later the Trump thing happened and the campaign against Trump only had one consistent and heartfelt message: "Vote for Hilary or you're a racist misogynist." (Maybe they thought adding a word would make a compelling vision?)
Of course there's a reason why the progressive movement hasn't been able to make a coherent vision: they haven't got one. They're very clear on what they're against in their little infighting camps, but they have zero compelling vision for how to move forward. There's no motivation. "Trans rights", while important, are not the foundation for a society or government. No variant of " rights" is going to motivate people to vote for you unless you're in that little specific group. And while the progressive movement focuses on these micro scale things (which I again stress are important, just not a solid foundation for governance), the right has its hate-fuelled, lie-infused, but actually present narrative without any coherent counter to it.
So yes, I'm very comfortable recognizing that the progressive left just lost to a bunch of idiots. Because they're even worse in aggregate.