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I'm surprised you're still here, to be honest. Yes, I know what Palestine is like right now. I care a lot about it. I wrote my congresspeople, back when they were approving the aid, trying to tell them not to do it. I didn't think it would do anything, and it didn't. That's why I didn't want Trump to come, and make things quite a bit worse than even Biden's already war-criminal level of performance.
Around 85% of the Palestinians in Gaza are still alive right now, as far as I know. How many once Trump is done with them?
50%?
80%? Will he solve the Middle East during his term, and bring an end to the killing? It seems unlikely.
Less than 10%, with a lot of it annexed to Israel?
That last one seems pretty probable to me. I think better than 50/50 odds. I don't want to bet.
Realpolitiks hasn’t failed the West yet, why should it now?
I had a feeling you wouldn't really want to engage with that conversation. It's pretty fucking upsetting.
You’re so sure of yourself. A little humility goes a long way:
I’m sure the Palestinians sleeping in tents tonight are wistfully reminding themselves that Biden was better because Trump might be worse.
I actually commented at more length on this exact article a while back, when one of my bots posted it:
https://ponder.cat/post/1337717/1524546
Now that the Israeli military has done several more attacks in Gaza since the ceasefire (including by a sniper who killed a child), and attacked a refugee camp in the West Bank for good measure, I stand even more so behind my assessment that taking the cease-fire seriously without having a reason to think it will continue is just poor pattern recognition.
You could have had Kamala Harris, who you could say might have been worse or might have been better than Biden. Instead, we have Trump, who is catastrophically worse, in every objective sense, by such a wide margin that I don't want to think about it. Congratulations, I guess.
I don't want to talk about this any more. I'm not sure why I engaged with it for this long.
Edit: I was thinking to myself, what the fuck? What are all these weird comments, why am I back in this experience of having this type of conversation?
And then I thought, ooooohhhhh, I resubscribed to !world@lemmy.world for some one-off reason, and this came up in my feed without me realizing that was where it's from. There's a reason I unsubscribed, because it is filled with an unusually high proportion of this stuff. Okay, peace. I'm back to unsubscribing, because I remember how infinitely more pleasant my Lemmy experience is without quite so many of the aggressively wrong people who always adhere to exactly one viewpoint and never stop replying. Cheers, you can carry on without me with what you'd wanted to say.
I’m sorry if I make you feel like you need to leave, it’s just a different way of viewing the world. I understand your sentiment about the threat of Trump, but I don’t excuse the Democrats role in allowing this to happen.
No it isn't. It's a different way of holding the conversation. I'm fine with different ways of viewing the world, I've been in contact with quite a few of them on and offline.
You're filling in both sides of the conversation. We're talking about what a catastrophic fuck-up Trump is for the Palestinians, somehow managing to be incredibly worse than Biden was, and you're over here pretending that someone is "excusing the Democrats role in allowing this to happen," and deflecting away from what we're talking about into literally probably the 30th time I've had some variation, yet again, of this exact same conversation. As far as I know, no one was making excuses for Democrats or anything remotely like it. I called Biden a war criminal. It literally doesn't matter what I say. You have a tailor-made imaginary opponent you are debating, who's trying to make excuses for Democrats, and so you're out here debating against that imaginary person. And as far as I can tell, you'll keep replying forever, always against that imaginary person, always saying the same 4 or 5 different counter-points to the things no one said, never admitting any kind of error, or listening to anything.
That's a waste of time for me to be a part of. It's not your way of viewing the world. It is your absolute refusal to take part in the conversation on any kind of genuine basis.
Source? ‘cause from their pov he gave them a ceasefire. Talk about straw men. These conversations hinge on a futuristic, hypothetical series of events that may not happen. Will Trump be worse? Maybe. Probably. But that’s still in the future.
We know that Biden and the Democrats in the present, and past, failed to stymie Trump from taking office again , while aiding Israel in a genocide.
I have no problem with the Trump hate mills mentioning all of his fascist actions. But when that is used to apologize for Biden, the Democrats, and an actual genocide I have to speak out.
The Democrats were never gonna save us from fascism. It’s time we accept that and work together without them.
No matter how I try to express this it's never eloquent enough for folks who don't already see this to see it. I hope you are having better luck, you definitely crafted your argument better than I often do.
Are you fucking for real dude? That's your defense?
I'm not even going to ask you to elaborate on how you believe that just invoking the term "realpolitik" explains your position, because frankly I just don't care enough to know.
Absolutely:
How else could we explain America allowing a genocide with 46,000+ deaths? It’s the reason people supported the Democrats, and a genocide, despite the threat of Trump and fascism. The ends justify the means.