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[–] JohnnyCanuck@lemmy.ca 16 points 6 days ago (2 children)

No, he's still wrong. Even if he has been conditioned to ignore the term because of overuse of the term, he's still wrong.

The people who ignored the boy the third time he cried wolf were wrong. The proof they were wrong is that they lost their sheep. The moral of the story isn't "don't listen when little boys cry wolf three times and the first two times turn out to be false." The moral is "don't cry wolf when there is no wolf or people will stop listening to you."

So you can argue that the people who conditioned red shirt not too look were wrong, i.e. "the boy who cried Nazi", but in this case red shirt is most definitely wrong.

[–] SomeAmateur@sh.itjust.works 8 points 6 days ago

That is exactly what I am trying to convey, thank you.

Red shirt is wrong for ignoring the pointing person. The person pointing out the nazi is right. I am trying to argue that the person pointing out the nazi and the people who conditioned red shirt to the point of ignoring a legitimate cry are not the same and ultimately did not help things.

[–] IzzyJ@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Except there were wolves the whole time. Tf does the boy do when there is actually a wolf the whole time and noone believes him?

[–] JohnnyCanuck@lemmy.ca 0 points 4 days ago

Yeah. I'm ignoring the strawman part of the argument that the people calling wolf for the past 80 years were always lying, since it doesn't affect red shirt's wrongness.