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Vincent Oriedo, a biotechnology scientist, had just such a question. What lessons have been learned, he asked, from Harris’s defeat in this vital swing county in a crucial battleground state that voted for Joe Biden four years ago, and how are the Democrats applying them?

“They did not answer the question,” he said.

“It tells me that they haven’t learned the lessons and they have their inner state of denial. I’ve been paying careful attention to the influencers within the Democratic party. Their discussions have centred around, ‘If only we messaged better, if only we had a better candidate, if only we did all these superficial things.’ There is really a lack of understanding that they are losing their base, losing constituencies they are taking for granted.”

“We have set ourselves up for generational loss because we keep promoting from within leaders that that do not criticise the moneyed interests. They refuse to take a hard look at what Americans actually believe and meet those needs.”

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[–] YourShadowDani@lemm.ee 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Democrats have moved to the right, and hurt themselves doing so. That is true. But they are still objectively superior to Republicans in every conceivable way. People who voted Republican voted for the Leopards Eating People’s Faces party because they were angry about Democrats being imperfect, and their faces will be eaten.

The problem you (people blaming voters) don't seem to understand is, the Democrats moving right DIRECTLY demotivated voters and they stayed home because they were going to get right wing policy either way. They literally had no choice in multiple different avenues of how the country would be run so they said "fuck it if I got no choice for x y AND z, why vote?" maybe they still had a choice for a-w but maybe those specific policies didn't matter to them personally and wouldn't have affected their life.

This is A) the problem with having a shitty party platform and B) the problem with hyper-individualism that our country loves.

[–] kescusay@lemmy.world -2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

See, this is where you're wrong. By every measure, the Democratic party platform was objectively better for humans living on planet Earth. Its problems were in degree (not being nearly progressive enough), not in focus (such as screaming incoherently about trans people).

But people didn't know, because of the aforementioned misinformation and disinformation. Seriously, did you know that the party platform contains an entire section on protecting LGBTQI+ people and rights? Most progressive voters who sat this one out never read it. Here, see for yourself.

But because the Democratic party wasn't progressive enough (in some people's eyes), they sat out the election, and someone who is a thousand times worse in every respect is going to be president tomorrow.

I take that personally. I have a trans son and a gay daughter, and their lives will be so much worse, starting tomorrow. And to protect them, I'm actively trying to figure out how to leave this country, because a lot of people didn't care enough to protect my kids.

In 1930's Germany, the Jewish people (and Gypsies, and - again - gay and trans people, and so on) who survived when that country descended into fascism are the ones who got the fuck out first. That is the reality that this purity bullshit has created for people like my kids.

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 2 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

not in focus (such as screaming incoherently about trans people)

why is "trans people" always the example the centrists bring up, like its some sort of totem. Trans peoples rights are not exactly on very many peoples top 10 list of concerns, and I doubt many people could even name the rights trans people are fighting for and dems are supposedly helping with. Trans people are 1% of the population. If thats all we have for a convincing argument we're doing politics wrong.

[–] kescusay@lemmy.world 0 points 12 hours ago

Bite me. I'm no fucking centrist. And maybe if you'd actually read my comment, you'd understand why trans issues are important enough for me to mention.

[–] Kalysta@lemm.ee 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If the electorate doesn’t know a party’s platform, that’s the party’s problem. It’s literally their job to scream it from the rooftops.

And all I saw was democrats, like motherfucking Henry Cuellar, throwing the LGBTQ under the bus. Especially trans people.

[–] kescusay@lemmy.world -1 points 1 day ago

If the electorate doesn’t know a party’s platform, that’s the party’s problem. It’s literally their job to scream it from the rooftops.

They did. Harris campaigned constantly, and contrary to the constant and incessant media narrative, she went into plenty of specifics.

It was all drowned out by Trump noise, and the media was 100% complicit.

And all I saw was democrats, like motherfucking Henry Cuellar, throwing the LGBTQ under the bus. Especially trans people.

Yes, Cuellar is an asshole, no argument there. But he was by no means the only Democrat on the campaign trail. Again, the media wouldn't fucking give Democrats the time of day, because the 24-hour Trump clown show got the ratings.

We also shouldn't dismiss the problem of sexism, some of it internalized. Back in 2008, I had the misfortune of meeting a woman who wasn't sure who to vote for. She wanted to vote for McCain at the time, but was hesitant because she didn't want a woman to be vice-president. (The fact that Sarah Palin was immensely unqualified didn't matter, but the fact she had a vagina did.) That attitude is still a lot more common than people who live in largely progressive areas realize.