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I seem to remember similar comments a year and a half ago...
Difference being that Poland is in NATO
People really need to actually read article 5.
Article 5 = Poland w/ obligatory assistance from every single NATO participant proceeding to deep dick Belarus the moment they do something stupid.
Once you read the article 5, you'll find out that it says that in case a NATO member is attacked then NATO will convene and each country will decide individually what level of support it will provide. There is no obligation for countries to send troops or get directly involved. And of course if Poland is stupid enough to attack Belarus or intervene in Ukraine then there is no obligation to do anything at all.
Of course, even if NATO did agree to fight all together, it's pretty clear that NATO is in a dire shape having sent much of what it has to Ukraine at this point. US has literally admitted to running out of basic stuff like artillery shells now.
Y'all can downvote all you like of course, but that's not going to alter reality. Maybe it's time for people to reflect on the past two years of war in Ukraine and how everything western media claimed about the conflict has now turned out to be completely wrong.
It's amazing how many people who say "you need to read xxx" have never actually read it...
Thats from the NATO website. Doesn't say they need to convene, it says that any member is allowed to respond in any manner they deem necessary.
NATO countries have more than 10,000 troops deployed in Poland. The last time Russia played a game of FAFO with the US,it ended poorly. Repeating that with NATO would be infinitely worse.
And no, despite Russian fanboy insistance, the US isn't low on ammo. From the Secretary of the Army's testimony to congress:
“[the Army is] comfortable that the amount of lethal assistance we’ve been providing is not eroding our readiness, but we keep a close eye on that.”
There may be issues with the amount of excess the US has to give away, I'll believe that when I see the US govt stop sending it.
It's amazing how you didn't even read the thing you quoted evidently:
What do you think" exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence" and "such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force" means exactly?
It means that individual countries get to decide the level of support they provide ranging from nothing to getting involved militarily.
US aims to go from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000 by the spring and 40,000 by 2025. This is the amount of shells Russia uses per day in Ukraine.
And of course, the problem for US is the state of its industry you can't just create factories, supply chains, and trained workers out of thin air the way you print money.
It's pretty clear that people who believed all the bullshit before the war have learned absolutely nothing throughout the war.
Oh no, I just didn't want to leave lemmy to go read article 5 and I was banking on you or someone else providing a rundown tbh. Thanks for the info!
It's yog again. Take a peek at his profile and it's readily evident what he's all about. 6k posts/comments in 4 years. He's literally on here on average every day usually posting some new easily disproven/rabidly biased/propaganda. And when he does bother to argue it takes 30 seconds to deconstruct his argument after which he resorts to name calling and finally blocking you. Lol.
Still nothing to see here and likely never will be anything to see here.