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The Duff CEO with a Windows-Logo on his forehead: "Gamers use Windows because of its' user experience not our de facto monopoly."

Next Image: Duff CEO with Windows-Logo in front of a "Out of Business" sign. Subtitle: "30 minutes after SteamOS is released"

Edit: Yo, I'm not saying this is gonna happen. I just want to say that Windew's UX sucks ass.

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[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 3 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

So what is your problem with what OP is doing? That they aren't personally releasing games to compete with the ones using kernel level anti-cheat?

Like Valve did with Proton while people like OP were voting with their wallet.

Do you think that was profitable for Steam (from people voting with their wallet), or do you think Steam did it for charity out of the kindness of their hearts?

[–] stevedice@sh.itjust.works -4 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

My problem is that being in denial about the state of gaming on Linux (better than before, still garbage) does nothing to improve the state of gaming on Linux.

Do you think that was profitable for Steam (from people voting with their wallet), or do you think Steam did it for charity out of the kindness of their hearts?

You seem to think that Valve developed Proton to capture the Linux marketshare. That's unbelievably naive.

[–] msage@programming.dev 3 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

How is gaming support on Linux "still garbage"?

90% of games work out of the box. No tweaks, just press play.

You have options for launchers, Steam, Heroic, Lutris...

I've dropped Windows about 8 years ago, and I missed on a couple of games, mostly due to the anticheat bullshit.

I even mod my games on Linux without issues.

There were more issues with gaming on Windows than issues I had on Linux.

[–] stevedice@sh.itjust.works -3 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

It could be 99% of games and it wouldn't matter if the remaining 1% are what people actually wanna play. Support for games outside of Steam is beyond the capabilities of most PC users. Most people don't actually enjoy playing Troubleshooting Simulator.

[–] msage@programming.dev 3 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I play games outside of Steam as well?

Wtf, those launchers play games without issues outside the Steam? What are you talking about?

And if that last 1% of games does crazy shit, it can stay on Windows. There is no need to fully support everything from Windows (down to exploits) on Linux.

[–] stevedice@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Can I just go to gog.com, download The Witcher 3, click on the installer and have it install? Or do I have to configure some bullshit that's beyond the capabilities of the regular user before I can do that? You seem to be completely disconnected from real people. Real people also don't care about what kernel anticheat does and just want it to work.

[–] msage@programming.dev 1 points 14 minutes ago

I have played a game from GOG on Linux (Icewind Dale), it had Linux download, I opened it and the game played 100%, even multiplayer with non-Linux users.

Dunno about Witcher 3 specifically.

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 3 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

You seem to think that Valve developed Proton to capture the Linux marketshare. That's unbelievably naive.

Okay, so why did they develop it?

[–] stevedice@sh.itjust.works -2 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Because Microsoft has the power to end Steam almost overnight so Valve is desperately trying to move people away from Windows. Linux just happened to be a useful tool but Proton aims to capture the Linux userbase about as much as ChromeOS does.

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 3 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

Microsoft has the power to end Steam almost overnight

You want to explain that one? Yes, Steam was exclusively on Windows, but how exactly would Microsoft "end them almost overnight" without immediately being slapped with significant lawsuits? Do you honestly believe Microsoft would put something in their code that specifically excludes Steam?

You call me nieve and then claim the reason was wild conspiracy theories...

[–] stevedice@sh.itjust.works -2 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Lawsuits won't do anything to stop Microsoft in the short term, look at what happened to Netscape. Valve understands that "voting with your wallet" doesn't work because the majority of people will buy whatever the current monopoly holder tells them to buy.

wild conspiracy theories...

Do you live under a rock? Valve has been very clear about their intentions since the days of the Steam machines.

https://www.zdnet.com/article/valve-windows-8-is-a-catastrophe-for-pcs/

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 2 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

"I think we'll lose some of the top-tier PC/OEMs, who will exit the market. I think margins will be destroyed for a bunch of people. If that's true, then it will be good to have alternatives to hedge against that eventuality."

It was done for profit. The exact thing I've been saying.

[–] stevedice@sh.itjust.works -2 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

That quote doesn't mean what you think it means. And you haven't been saying it was done for profit, you've been saying it was done because "people voted with their wallet".

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 2 points 15 hours ago

you haven't been saying it was done for profit, you've been saying it was done because "people voted with their wallet".

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[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 2 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Companies will do something if they have a profit incentive to do so. They will not do things if they do not have a profit incentive to do so. People voting with their wallet creates a profit incentive.

[–] stevedice@sh.itjust.works -1 points 13 hours ago

People voting with their wallet creates no profit incentive. It's what I've been trying to explain to you since your very first comment.