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I think it’s important for people to realize:
A very bad cold or flu can totally damage your body and is how lots of older folks go unfortunately.
Covid without a vaccine would have been a terrible sickness.
What bugs me the most is so many people who don’t understand logical fallacies kept saying just wait a year or two and you’ll see mass deaths and weakened immunity… and they are conveniently silent now, probably blaming fires on DEI or something stupid like that.
That was my view of COVID at the early stages of the pandemic. A lot of people were saying that it's just a bad flu. I thought it being a bad flu is terrifying.
An even so, having caught the damn thing three times now even through vaccines, I think my view back then was overly optimistic.
Do you have a source for claiming it’d be worse without the vaccine? I haven’t seen any studies show it lessens the severity of brain damage caused by infections.
What I’ve seen is claims that even the asymptomatic infections are causing brain damage.
That was my old boss. You described them to a T in Re: to the mass deaths in 2 years. She was an absolute idiot, and I have no doubt would put her political party over her own personal safety again if she knew Democrats were already doing the same as she needed to. She is incapable of thinking rationally.
And yet here in Denmark you can't get the booster if you're not old or very sick.
These people are addicted to this feeling that they have discovered some secret that destroys conventional wisdom and sheds a whole new light on everything. They are addicted to this feeling that they’ve found a big lie everyone’s swallowed and they’re going to spit it out.
Every part of their worldview has to have that quality or they can’t hold onto it with their brains. There’s a great deal of straightforward, plain-as-day information that’s totally missing from their worldview because it doesn’t contain the drug their brain is addicted to.
My theory is that the type of person who falls for conspiracy nonsense is the same type of person who also succumbs to solipsism. They have a core belief that they are the protagonist of their own story, and their story can't be plain, humdrum, or boring like their daily lives had been up until the moment they "uncovered" the grand plot to deceive the world. Acknowledgement of the fact that they are not special or somehow inherently different from any other individual is psychic death, so they retreat into safe spaces and echo chambers that validate them, which make them easy targets for pseudoscience and quasi-religious beliefs.
Conspiracy allows them to indulge in the fantasy of grandiosity, while also introducing them to a community of like-minded people who will welcome them and their beliefs, and never challenge them. That makes it all the more difficult for them to break out of the spell, even when presented evidence that runs contrary to what they believe.
I wonder if you're on to something there. What if they do get a hit of dopamine every time they think they're being clever even though they're completely wrong, and so they deliberately lean towards all the crazy that makes them think they're being clever just for the dopamine? That would explain a lot about the MAGA crowd, as they are actually physically addicted to the crazy in that case,
"The loudest one in the room is the weakest one in the room." — Frank Lucas Many dumb people I've met simply get off by hearing themselves talk. They 100% get a dopamine hit every time the make a "point".
Yes and there is one other aspect. When they get into this conspiracy shit, there is a whole community of people ready to welcome them. They are congratulated for seeing the light and joining the movement. This fulfills a social need for a lot of these people, who are lonely or in some cases estranged from family.
This process of feeling like you’ve drawn back the curtain on life, and, in the same stroke found “your people” is incredibly exhilarating to them. It’s like a whole new day in their lives. And THAT’S why they’ll defend their crap beliefs to the death. Because giving them up means going back to the humdrum world where they are just a nobody again.
There's also a large community of conspiracy haters ready to welcome anyone who believes anything an authority figure says. They are congratulated for seeing the light and joining the movement. This fulfills a social need for ... etc.
Is there? I don’t know of anyone who gathers together to bad mouth conspiracy theorists
There are many in this thread. I replied to one.
People who casually dismiss conspiracy theories are exactly as bad as those who unquestioningly believe them.
Did you see someone whose social life is built around dismissing conspiracy believers or did you just reply to someone who rejects conspiracy thinking? I suspect it’s the latter.
The kind of person that latches onto one detail in an argument and doesn't let go. Especially when it has nothing to do with the disagreement. You know the type.
Always. When the previous conspiracy theory / rapture date / return of JFK / illuminati plot doesn't turn out to be true, there's no talking about it or self reflection, it's just right onto the next conspiracy theory / rapture date / return of JFK / illuminati plot.
This should go both ways. What about :-
Wuhan Lab leak possibility
US sponsoring foreign GoF research
Assange assassination plans
Phones and tvs listening on conversations (Weeping Angel)
NSA recording all internet traffic
Remote car jacking
McDonald's ice cream breaking on purpose
Etc.