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I respect the Chinese people, their modern advancements in science and technology, their industry, their customs, and their rich history and culture.
I do not respect a hostile dictatorship that rules over them all, and if they were smart they would not, either.
I respect the American people, their modern advancements in science and technology, their industry, their customs, and their rich history and culture.
I do not respect a hostile dictatorship of corporate overlords that rules over them all, and if they were smart they would not, either.
Sure, fair stance, but also pure whataboutism.
I was kinda making a similar argument because of "if they were smart". They are smart. Americans are smart too. But being smart doesn't trivialize the very complicated problems with overthrowing a dictatorship/oligarchy, because neither government is currently democratic in practice — so voting will not work.
"Whataboutism" is a term used to feel righteous while completely ignoring your bias.
Admitting both contries are bad and then taking a clear stance between them is hypocritical at best.
"Whataboutism" is when you dismiss any bad of any one thing because there are other examples of bad things. In fact, you trying to deflect your bias as my bias is actually also whataboutism.
If you don't have any logical excuse for the bad thing, then you should stop standing up for the bad thing.
Sure, but here it's pretty much about the trade war between the two.
Neither side is just, and so seeing it as "China bad" is not a neutral outlook.
In the US-centric environment, standing up for neutrality is easy to confuse with standing up for China.
I wouldnt want to take a neutral stance here, if the USA is a 53 then China is a 87 on the badometer.
Here, opinions may vary, but that's outside the scope.
If you want my personal opinions, I would reverse the numbers. China is spreading authoritarian power and commits human rights violations primarily within its own confines and in some nearby regions like South China Sea, USA does it globally. Both are not great, though, and commonly I try to treat them with the same measuring stick.
The last time the USA claimed territory was at the end of WWII.
The last time it militarily intervened in claiming foreign land for an allied country despite the objection of nearly the entire world is right now.
That's not to mention an enormous amount of coups and military interventions throughout the last decades. US has sewn more chaos globally than any other country in the history of the world - all in its own interest, of course.
Are you referring to Ukraine? Because you would be wrong.
I'm referring to Israel.
Israel was actually a United Kingdom territory before becoming its own independent nation and NATO member.
NATO is a mutual self defense pact that forces its members to cooperate if one of them is attacked, which Israel unfortunately was before it began its genocide.
Israel is not part of NATO, this is factually wrong.
Oh wow you're right, til
Happy to share something new :)
How do we stop the oligarchy ruling the USA without them ruining your life for going first?
Vote in 60 dem senators and they'll overturn Citizens United, limiting political donations, and they'll tax the rich.
Not really.
Dems are primarily sponsored by the rich and have to align with their interests. Out of two major US political parties, neither one is the party of the people.
HR 1 For The People Act - written by dems, passed by dems twice, blocked by Republicans.
Before that the dems wrote the campaign finance laws in 1995 and 2002 which were the core of the Citizens United Lawsuit in 2007 where SCOTUS voted with a partisan split to allow any sized contribution, even Hillary Clinton was a supporter of undoing Citizens United.
Even if the DNC isn't your ideal peoples party, they are the party who can give you the option. Vote Dem.
They own and rule the dictatorship. It's a dictatorship of the proletariat, wherein anyone can become a party member and participate. The US has a dictatorship of capital. How's that working out again having a dozen billionaires writing your laws and controlling the entire executive branch?
No it's a dictatorship by a small group that the rest of them are not in. It's a dictatorship that demands the common people surrender all beliefs not sanctioned by the state, that demolishes holy sites, a dictatorship that forces minorities into labor camps. It's a dictatorship that commits hostile takeovers of neighboring nations and allies itself with multiple other dictatorships.
China actually vetoed a UN Ceasefire resolution in Gaza in March, so much for peace.
Not to mention Chinese close friends and allies North Korea is constantly firing missiles into the ocean as a method of stick-waving at demilitarized Japan.
Honestly weird that you think Uighur Muslims all need to go to rehab and work long unpaid hours until they die. Not how a normal human with empathy thinks, generally.
The ceasefire resolution that didn't free hostages held in Israel, enabled the IDF to indefinitely hold Gaza, and removed all self determination from gazans?
Yes, even the Arab nations did not want that resolution, China, during the same sessions, called for an unconditional ceasefire.
Lying about situations makes everything you have to say suspect.
To your second point, you admit the US is committing genocide in Gaza. Right? We're blaming countries for things their military allies do now, so the US is genocidal, according to you.
To your third point less than 5% of the uighur population has ever been arrested, xinjiangs city council is mostly uighur Muslims, and no american gets to tell anthother country how to handle prisoners, given us prisons are worse than pretty much anywhere according to the UN, and the us arrests more minorities as a percentage of each minority population than China is claimed to have, much less the reality.
I'm sure those gazans are really enjoying all the extra freedoms they've had in the last 9 months. /sarcasm
Given the resolution would have had the same result, hence why everyone but the US opposed it, sure.
source? like this isn't the cuba embargo
...look up the resolution and China's official response. I did before making my comment, you can do the same if you want to participate in the discussion.
1 day old account.
dafuq did I just read
Have you never learned literally anything about Tibet? Check out the wikipedia sections for pre 1950s Tibet, or simply Google Tibet given the news stories about the dalai lama tonguing a kid on tv.
ROFL!
So peaceful.
Fewer disputes over it's lifetime than the US in the last four years. Congrats, thanks for proving my point.
I never brought up the US. You're using them as a deflection from the topic at hand.
All I did was refute your claim that "China operates on the principle of peace. Not constant war." That claim is easily debunked. Why spread lies?
Bringing up comparators is not deflection. And no, you didn't refute my claim. Self defense is not offensive wars. You can be peaceful while being forced into war. Peaceful does not mean no violent, simply not seeking violence.
This dude just straight up snorts the Kool-Aid powder.
Because I don't buy us propaganda? Are you okay little buddy?