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Was reminded how Epstien not killing himself was/is so accepted yet it’s still a conspiracy theory. Is there any similar ones you guys believe to be completely true ?

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[–] whileloop@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Epstein didn't kill himself.

9/11 wasn't an inside job, but the American government did cover up their failures to prevent it.

I've heard some speculate that Al Qaeda had placed explosives or fuels inside the buildings in advance, suggesting that they had access to them days or weeks in advance. If true, I can absolutely see a campaign to cover up their failure to prevent it.

[–] sadreality@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Epstein not killing himself is not a conspiracy theory unless you are elite pedobear who did it lol

[–] sirboozebum@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't think a sexual predator avoiding being held accountable for his crimes is that far fetched

[–] Domille@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

except that the guards conveniently both fell asleep, and the camera malfunctioned all at the same time.

[–] sirboozebum@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Sadly, general incompetence and buffoonery is far more widespread than you think.

[–] conciselyverbose@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Half the conspiracies about 9/11 are from people not having the basic understanding that they collapsed the building after the fact as a desperately needed safety precaution.

Like no shit they used demolitions tools capable of taking down steel. You can't leave it to fall on its own whenever that happens to be.

[–] Redditgee@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Are you talking about 7? Don't remember if that was the building number, but the one that wasn't hit? I assume you don't mean the twin towers.

[–] conciselyverbose@kbin.social -3 points 1 year ago

All the "jet fuel can't melt steel beams" nonsense like the fact that demolitions grade high-powered explosives being used is some conspiracy instead of the obviously necessary act to take when a skyscraper is damaged and no longer structurally sound.

[–] SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I know this is kinda vain, but wouldn't it be unconstitutional for the government to orchestrate things that killed its own people? It wouldn't be the only time because I know the pentagon(?) was considering staging domestic terror attacks on US cities to justify invading Cuba (I can link the Johnny Harris video)

[–] lemmefixdat4u@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Just because it's unconstitutional doesn't stop the government from doing whatever it wants to its citizens if someone thinks they can justify/get away with it. Government entities have a long history of doing what they want regardless of what the Constitution says. Sherman's March to the Sea, the interment of Japanese Americans, nuclear weapons testing in the Pacific Ocean, the Tuskegee Experiment, the MOVE bombing in Philadelphia, etc.. The Constitution is just pieces of paper. Its power comes from those willing - and able - to enforce it.

[–] SgtAStrawberry@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Especially not on lower Manhattan. I could maybe see a reason to let them fall down on their own, if they had been in the middle of a gigantic empty field, but never inside a city, fall the wrong way there and they can bring a couple of blocks down with them.

[–] boredtortoise@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Gork@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Interesting theory. In order for this to work he'd need to mastermind the operation to fake his death. He would have to, at a minimum:

Obtain a suitable body and some kind of face mask based on his likeness.

Convince the two guards to malfunction the camera, move the newly acquired body into the cell and stage a suicide, then fall asleep.

Find a way to escape the prison, obtaining a suitable disguise to aid in the escape.

Grease the palms of the medical examiner to look the other way when the body is examined post-mortem. May also need to bribe other officials as well.

Obtain means to escape the country (probably the easiest part of this entire operation).

If he can't go back to his Island, purchase another one. Perhaps get cosmetic surgery so he doesn't obviously look like Epstein.

Keep a low profile for essentially the rest of his life.

[–] boredtortoise@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yeah. He has his blackmail and beneficieries so there's a ton of powerful people to make that happen

Also there was the "wrong ears on the corpse!" situation.

I like theories which are plausible yet also stupid.