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The country’s prime minister said the incident, the latest in a series of disruptions to undersea infrastructure, underscored the danger of a so-called Russian shadow fleet.

At least Finland is fighting for the good of humanity.

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[–] eran_morad@lemmy.world 155 points 1 day ago (4 children)

The West must fucking find its balls and acknowledge that we are in a hybrid war against the blyats. It is high fucking time we fight back. Using every means short of direct military conflict.

[–] Chainweasel@lemmy.world 4 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Why should we stop short?
Russia is actively in combat with an Eastern European nation and has been for 4 years. It's arguable that the rest of Europe and the West engaging with Russia on a battlefield would actually save more lives in the end by shortening the conflict.
They can't make war if you remove their means to make war.

[–] eran_morad@lemmy.world 2 points 22 hours ago

Because it's far more effective to wage an asymmetric non-shooting war. We have far more resources than the blyats could muster. We could outcompete them 100-fold in every fucking dimension. we could gradually weaken them until their miserable state crumbles. All without the devastation of war.

[–] Bezier@suppo.fi 82 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Unlike the previous ships, this one was immediately seized by armed forces, so I guess we're starting to wake up.

[–] Free_Opinions@feddit.uk 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

To my knowledge, it was escorted to Finland from international waters by the coast guard, after which the police quick-response task unit stormed the bridge via helicopter. Had the ship refused to leave international waters, there’s nothing they could have done. I applaud them for their boldness and aggression, but luck also played a role. As far as I’m aware, the previous ships never entered any country’s territorial waters.

[–] boredtortoise@lemm.ee 11 points 1 day ago

The previous ships weren't seen with hard evidence. This one had a missing anchor.

Apparently there are also some actions available on international waters where also countering pirates lies

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 27 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Short of? Eastern Europe is being invaded and Europe is standing by...

[–] APassenger@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Rbf, I think they're waiting for the real* Europe to be invaded.

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[–] rockerface@lemm.ee 0 points 1 day ago (2 children)

So I'm guessing next they'll exclude Poland from the definition of "real" Europe

[–] model_tar_gz@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

Poland is in NATO, that would trigger Article V. How much more “real” do you want it to be?

[–] Cypher@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It will take another 20-30 years before the Russians recover enough from their current losses to even start considering attacking a neighbouring country that can fight back.

[–] iopq@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If they defeat Ukraine on the battlefield Moldova and Georgia would be pushovers

[–] Cypher@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I did say a country that can fight back. Moldova and Georgia aren’t going to align themselves with NATO and won’t receive the funding and arms that Ukraine has.

People talking about Poland being next are delusional.

[–] Enkrod@feddit.org 2 points 1 day ago

With the losses the russians suffered in their invasion of Ukraine, Poland alone could, quite heavily, stomp on grabby russian fingers. Not to mention that our brothers would not stand alone.

Estonia, Latvia, and Moldova seem to be the next likely targets.

[–] twistypencil@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

I studier the west is fully aware of that, and is fighting it on multiple fonts