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Russia-Ukraine war live: half a million people without heating in Kharkiv region after Russian attack
(www.theguardian.com)
this post was submitted on 25 Dec 2024
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That's not true. The beginning of the invasion of Ukraine started with the annexation of Crimea in 2014. This was supported by 84% of the population (consistent across 7 years of polling 2014 to 2021). Even with list experiments to account for preference falsification, the support number largely stays the same at 80%.
And support for the full scale invasion was at 65% in 2022 even with preference falsification adjustments.
And then there is the matter of the russian population: 1. electing a KGB goon in 2000 (considered largely free and fair) 2. Reelecting the KGB goon after he shut down mass market independent media (also free and fair) 3. Supporting the comical Medvedev seat warming plan in 2008 4. Electing putin as leader for life in 2012.
Don't get me wrong, I agree you that Western support has been very weak (if funding is an issue, there was 550 billion in russian assets) and failed to effectively challenge russia.
I agree and find it rather disgusting that they try to blame a single person when in reality most Russians want this. Now the actual question is how they got so radicalize and how much they deserve to suffer for it. For wanting to do terrible things to others they deem as less worthy because they were told their whole live that this is the truth. I think they deserve what the Nazis got, and that has so far been the only "cure" for this extremist nonsense. It also worked with Japan.
To start with, it would be good if EU, US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand banned visits/residence for russian citizens until russia leaves all occupied territories, hands over all war criminals and provides financial compensation for all damage.
With a explicit notice that they are welcome to play the victim and talk about alleged "russophobia"; this is not going to work.
Realistically, a change in attitudes would require other measures, but this would be a start.
Interesting. Should the same thing be done to America?
While whataboutism is pretty common when discussing russia. The actions of russia and the US are not comparable.
It would be like if the US annexed Basra Governorate. Stole all the children to US mainland (and sent them to re-education camps). Sent any Iraqi in Basra caught speaking Arabic into a torture camp. Banned Islam and forced everyone to convert to protestant Christianity. And on top of that forced all Iraqis in annexed Basra to eat Tex-Mex style pork chops.
Could you please cite your sources that Russia has kidnapped every child in eastern Ukraine and sent them to reduction camps. Could you please cite your sources that Russia sent every Ukrainian speaker to a torture prison. Could you please cite your sources that Russia banned a religion and forced all of eastern Ukraine to convert to a different one.
And could you also explain where the line is that all Russians deserve mass collective punishment, which Americans, who's country invaded multiple others, killing millions, operating torture camps, and are now openly and full throatedly supporting the full extermination of Gaza, have not crossed?
We both know that this is easy to validate. Furthermore, you know it is true, but you keep lying.
I also think you are lying about your concern regarding Gaza. It's more of aesthetic for you. You will happily condone atrocities and white-wash genocidal imperialism when it suits your tankie LARP. It would be like me claiming that "Israel is complying with a legal and moral rules during its security operation in Gaza" Just in case you forget what you are LARPing about, I don't believe this.
Now cite your sources showing 80% US support for the annexation of Basra, banning Islam, Arabic and forcing muslims to eat pork chops. You did claim the actions of US and russia are comparable, didn't you?
Ah ok, you're just a bad faith troll. Never mind.