~~pharmacists solely being distributors of pre-ordained medication has no detrimental effects on humans. ๐ซ the US is great to its people, and has very good healthcare practices!!~~ (livestream is on the 27th and i am excite, but not involved at all)
https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2024/fahrplan/talk/ASBXWW/
stream link for those interested:
https://streaming.media.ccc.de/38c3
EDIT: my lack of capitalization and poor word choice has confused people. this event is about making legal, tested for efficacy medication only. pharmacists are good. doctors are good. the cost of medication and other hurdles that prevent people from having access to medication are not.
EDIT 2: i looked into the 4 Theives Vinegar Collective (breifly, just on wikipedia) and i did not realize that they made the EpiPencil, which is an open-source device that injects a mesured dose of epinephrine (a medication that can be bought from a trusted and legal distributor). that's awesome stuff, but it's less awesome that they now want to share chemistry knowlege that they don't necissarily have a full understanding of, and push automated synthesis for people who also don't have the foundational knowledge to ensure safety. not really great. i guess that's what happens when healthcare is entirely for-profit, and inaccessable to so many people.
pharmacists are trained extensively about every class of FDA approved medicine, but doctors (primarily PCPs) are given insanely huge caseloads of "Becky-Sue needs antibiotics" type cases. i think you misunderstood what the talk/stream is about tbh.
manufacturing meds that are known to help and tested as such isn't exactly new, groundbreaking stuff. i don't think these guys are going to be pushing for scam-of-the-week alternative medicine lol
What you posted in the OP definitely needs to be phrased better then. Because it looks like something an antivaxer or an MMS nutter would post. "Big government wants to make all our healthcare decisions for us and we needs to rebel" is basically the antivaxer mantra. It should at least somewhere mention that its about manufacturing your own pharmaceuticals.
Also manufacturing your own medications is not illegal at all as long as they aren't controlled substances. You can make and swallow basically anything you want and the government won't stop you.
Additionally antibiotics probably aren't the best example to use for something people can do on their own because misuse of antibiotics tends to result in things like antibiotic resistant infections which can then spread and cause harm to the community.
i can edit the OP. i think i over-estimated how many people would read the text from the link.
i don't hang around anti-vaccer type spaces or people, and i hope you can avoid them too, since getting sick isn't fun.
antibiotic misuse seems more likely to me when people "ration" them, because of the difficulty obtaining them. i do see where you're coming from though, since misuse (generally early discontinuation) can cause problems.
The image says the Guv'ment has made what they do illegal.
Manufacturing medicine for yourself is not illegal. Hell, giving it away is not illegal, unless your negligence causes harm or if you make a claim that your product is identical to a prescription drug.
Selling it is illegal. Manufacturing dangerous controlled substances is illegal.
i guess i'll let the FDA and DEA (the lovely agency that largely gets to decide what substances on the "controlled substances" list, then also enforce the laws around those substances) decide what's safe for myself personally, and everyone else ๐คท
to learn about the talk, feel free to click the first link, if you like. it isn't really going to be about laws or "Guv'ment," i don't think. first paragraph (in screenshot) is an attention grabber tho, and i guess it rubs some people the wrong way.
Out of curiosity, which controlled substance is it that you want to manufacture?
๐ค i don't remember mentioning a desire to create, manifest through demonic portal, synthesize, or extract anything not allowed by law. it seems more than a little presumptious to assume i have the want/need to accompish that. the aforementioned live event is not about anything on the CSA, but you did mention "controlled substances," which admittedly triggers me. i suppose you're a fan of the "war on drugs." you do you, i guess.
since we are asking random questions...
what educational materials or ideas do you desire it to be illegal to diseminate? just curious
If you're not breaking the law then you're not "criminalized" and not a "bioterrorist". The post explicitly says they are that and your response to my former comment was that the FDA and DEA don't allow you to decide for yourself. What is it you think they aren't allowing you to do? Tell me.
i mentioned that they "decide what's safe," which you seem to agree with whole-heartedly...
i also didn't claim that i, personally, am a "bioterrorist," and the info about the talk doesn't claim any person themselves is "criminalized."
do you always jump into talking with people with this many assumptions and misconceptions? it is confusing tbh, and i am unsure if you're just trolling, or enjoy arguing for no reason.
Well, the post is literally called "bioterroism rule(s)", so it's not strange that they feel like you're implying that.
if i said "giant mechs controlled by cute cats rule," would that mean i am actually a feline inside a really badass mech suit?
๐ค tough call, really. depends on ths meaning of "sickest," in this context, and (completely genuinely) whether or not this specific group bioterrorists are practicing reasonable safety/harm reduction practices.
i did not realize this, but they may have skipped the whole "chemistry knowledge/experience" and scaling up for efficiency parts of the process, to jump right into automation... kind of bonkers lol.
almost definitely going to catch it live or recorded, but i might be equally intrigued and horrified. i was hoping they chose to use the tone they did to get people excited/interested, but it might be just how they feel.
Ever if they're not scammers, there will be many like them that are. Many people will not know the difference (see ivermectin, homeopathy, the supplements industry, gerson therapy). I get that this is a desperate measure for people in desperate situations, but that's exactly the kind of mark a scammer wants. I hope they do some good, but I also expect tragedies and lots of them.