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Social media, as it currently exists, is a net negative. We'd all be better off without it.
Even Lemmy, for adults I mean? It's an infinite book of content, or perhaps more like hanging out at a pub after/instead of work, in that it can be misused but does offer positives of connection, knowledge, enjoyment, correction, and more?
Lemmy is slightly better because as far as I can tell it’s not algorithmically run and it’s decentralized. The data does not appear to be for sale although I’m sure AI is using it for training without compensation.
Lemmy is still ripe for manipulation. At this point in time nobody knows if the other person they’re talking with is real or a bot, AI has made the ability to manufacture consent a lot easier and real seeming when it’s not organic.
I personally believe we fucked up somewhere along the line in our tech development
Lemmy lacks the downsides of other social media platforms and the downsides it does have are mostly shared with them. Although we do lack moderation to create spaces that people feel more comfortable talking in - especially bc reports do not cross-federate (will be added in 0.20 supposedly, and I mean reports to a mod who has an account on another instance). It is what it is. It's kinda good? :-)
To me that is a feature. I’m an anarchist and I frequently get reported by both liberals and fascists.
From what I read of the modlog responses, the top reasons for censoring you are ranting and civility. As an anarchist though, aren't you okay with being censored - bc you can do as you please, but so too can they? :-) You may think about what it is you are wanting to accomplish - e.g. I wrote out a really long response full of details based on your comment, then decided to replace it all instead. People like reading shorter content that is more to the point. In this case, I decided that was better. Maybe you'll block me for that, or maybe you'd block me for having done the other, but either way this is what I decided was better for me, right now. You'll have to decide what you want for yourself:-).
Not blocking you because I have no reason to.
What some people see as ranting is what I consider being autistic. We’re constantly misunderstood so we over explain ourselves.
I’m likely banned for “advocating” violence, but all I’m advocating is self defense against social murder.
Also I got blocked on world for stating the inconvenient fact that democrat joe Lieberman was single handedly responsible for killing the single payer option of Obamacare. That’s a fact that liberals hate.
I get it. You wrote nicely formatted paragraphs here, unlike my message above. We can make ourselves understood when we need to. It's exhausting though.
Note that not everyone visiting Lemmy does so with a proxy connection. Advocation of violence can get some people in trouble - e.g. I would worry about anyone in Brazil coming here, and perhaps the USA after next month. You can't impact people after they leave.
There is a need for a casual space that isn't enshittified by corporate interests like Reddit, and usable by mainstream people who don't use Arch btw. It looks increasingly like Lemmy might not be able to be it, bc people are so free to express their minds here, that ironically some other people won't bother to visit anymore. And then where will they go, except back to Reddit? Actions have consequences. I hope you don't think I'm picking on you in particular - it's the entire framework here and culture of the Fediverse rather, which is so freeing but then that's the dichotomy.
That’s your opinion. in my opinion, what we need most is a space for actual free speech, uncomfortable and unpopular (for the elites) speech, because everywhere else on the internet is moderated to all hell and owned by capitalists. We need an anti capitalist space. Lemmy is the only one I know of so far that makes that possible. Mainstream people have the entire fucking internet why do they need a space that actually allows real leftist thought and expression?
I am banned on every single corporate owned social media network for being anti capitalist, anti imperialist, and anti fascist.
Isn't that what Lemmy.ml, or even more so Lemmygrad and hexbear, are all about? And others too, like in the USA there's Midwest.social.
One issue is that the left eats its own, in its relentless pursuit after moral purity (the right does the same, it seems more a condition of extremism perhaps than which side that lies on). Another is that we think that the leopards surely won't eat our faces off. Part of what both of these facts mean is that e.g. neither neoliberals nor true free thinkers are allowed to criticize the formerly communist nations on those instances - they are in charge so it's their way or the highway, bc their brand of leftism is actually fascism in disguise.
Therefore if you are more anarchist than leftist, lemmy.dbzer0.com does seem like a good fit. Hopefully you can enjoy the communities there, like leftymemes and flippanarchy, I personally enjoy yepowertrippinbastards very much!:-) There may be a lot more lurkers than posters there though.
However, when you go into Lemmy.World spaces, yeah I do think that there is an expectation that it will cater to more of a mainstream audience? As it straight-up says in its sidebar text, "Be polite and follow the rules ⚖".
Also, people who are autistic may not be the best ambassadors to spread messages to those who are neurotypical, and similarly strong leftists may not be able to naturally reach centrists (without extreme consideration of the differences between the POVs), and so on. At which point ~~we~~ you are just venting your frustrations onto others, oftentimes against their consent?
Which ironically seems against the spirit of anarchy to me, but I definitely don't claim to be an expert on the subject and possibly there's something I'm not understanding there. Then again the sidebar text itself seems to confirm somewhat by stating: "When going to other communities, respect their rules AND our rules when they are more restrictive. Do not give cause for others to de-federate our instance please."
So even if only for purely practical reasons - i.e. if you don't enjoy being censored (who does), you may want to find a more suitable outlet for your anger? As do we all. There is much upheaval in the world and people need to find a way to deal. Like, helping people leave Reddit:-), rather than driving them back to it if we scare them here with extremism:-(.
That's a valid sentiment and deserves discussion, but this isn't the right community for it. We're trying to keep this community more casual and chill. It also probably breaks the TOS for discuss.online