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"I think it's time to tell the military-industrial complex they cannot get everything they want," said Sen. Bernie Sanders. "It's time to pay attention to the needs of working families."

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[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 28 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

Billions for Ukraine? No debate, full send. Billions for Israel? No debate, full send. Billions for healthcare? Whoa whoa whoa, gotta balance that budget!

Edit: if you prefer, forget I said healthcare and substitute in anything else that would help the working class.

[–] Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Every single time someone brings up anything about cost and the government, ask them how much money the DoD loses every year. Every single time.

see the dod brings in money because of pineapples and crack

[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

THE ISSUE IS NOT GIVING MORE MONEY TO HEALTHCARE.

Healthcare is our largest expense. The issue is the money going there, which can easily fund universal healthcare, doesn't go towards helping people, it goes towards a select number of people.

[–] AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If my taxes went up $1000 a month I would still be saving money with universal healthcare

[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The point is it doesn't need to. We could easily fund it

[–] AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 5 points 1 week ago

Right. But either way it's an invalid argument. We don't need to raise taxes, but even if we did it's still worth it.

[–] nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Extra spending on health care is not actually required (even though america could afford it). Americans spent more per capita on health care than anyone else already. American health spending is extremely inefficient, with parasites like for-profit insurance (whose profits and much of their revenue are literally just inefficiency in the system) embedded at every layer. The problem is that allowing it to get to this state means many of these bad actors will gladly spend hundreds of millions on politicians and ads to defend the billions they make, and American voters are easily confused.

If you call profits a bad thing too many times you get called a communist or whatever even though in this case it's objectively true. The shooting of that parasite CEO should have brought this into focus - that worthless person profited directly from making people's health care expenditures less efficient (and also from the corresponding human suffering in case anyone cares).

[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago

I agree with all of that. Almost wish I hadn't used healthcare as an example since there's plenty of other programs that suffer from low funding.

[–] bufalo1973@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago

Health is not "spending money". It's an investment that leads to less sick workers. Healthy workers work faster and better, being more productive.

(That's the only way I see some bastards will understand the profit in public universal healthcare)

[–] imsufferableninja@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

the US already allocates $1.5 trillion for direct healthcare spending

[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 week ago

If you don't like healthcare as an example, choose anything else that helps the working class. I don't just mean adding new money either, but how eager they are to make cuts to existing programs.