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[–] fuck_u_spez_in_particular@lemmy.world 86 points 1 week ago (14 children)

I mean I agree with him here. It's ridiculous how we are still this tribalistic species while basically everyone would be better off when we would work together (e.g. climate change would be non-existent)

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 30 points 1 week ago (9 children)

Passports weren't a general concept until the end of the 19th century. Before they were mostly to allow passage to certain areas inside one country, rather than for movement between countries. There have been Identifications for Nobels and Diplomats though.

Anyways the whole concept is mostly a concept of modern nation states not of ancient tribalism.

[–] kn33@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago (8 children)

I think the point is that the tribalism led to the creation of the nations/states in the first place. I don't know enough to know if that's true, but that was my interpretation of their comment.

[–] codexarcanum@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This was also my understanding and I begrudgingly agree with NDT that borders and states and tribalism are bad. I don't agree with complaining about lines. Damn dude, sucks to have to be a regular participant in society, maybe of bureaucrats got paid better or there were more people working the passport desk.

Or.... and i know this is fucking wild, he made up that story because in the US you get passports in the mail. Yeah, you have to maybe wait in a short line for some steps but overall you just send in your info and wait 6 weeks.

[–] sukhmel@programming.dev 2 points 1 week ago

To be fair, trusting mail with my passport still terrifies me, even though it maybe shouldn't

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