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I noticed today an occurence of a user complaining about Lemmy being worse then Reddit. The modlogs shows how toxic they are. When this was pointed out, the user deletes their account

https://web.archive.org/web/20241217101003/https://sopuli.xyz/post/20276017?scrollToComments=true

Deleted account: https://kbin.melroy.org/u/Pyrin

This seems to address the question that comes up once in a while "a public modlog is only useful for mods" (https://feddit.org/post/4920887/3235141), while we can see from this example that it can also be useful for toxic users.

As you may know, !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com is a community dedicated to calling out power tripping mods.

Should we consider having a similar community for toxic users?

There is already !fediverselore@lemmy.ca, but I feel like the "lore" is more about large-scale events (like the cats wave recently) than specific users events.

Edit: Updated the title, and put the emphasis on creating a community to call out toxic users rather than "dunking" on the users that was banned.

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[–] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 9 points 1 week ago (8 children)

So someone downvotes twice as often as they upvote?

What's wrong with that? I find it much easier to downvote than to upvote, but most threads or comments I don't vote at all. It's like me reviewing my Steam games. I barely ever do it, but usually I do negative reviews, because you see all what is wrong in a game and want to voice your frustration about it.

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 4 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Just in general, it's considered more polite Netiquete to make a comment explaining why the content was not deemed acceptable to you - enough to downvote it rather than simply scroll downwards, the latter of which costs you nothing.

As for why: how would you feel in return if like 50 people simply downvoted your comment here, while offering zero explanation about why they did that?

Anyway, it's just a label, much like a new account gets a label until it's not new anymore. What people DO with the label is up to them - perhaps they'll skip over everything you say, but more likely they'll simply ignore it (that's what I do:-P). What we do is up to us, but how people choose to receive it is up to them...

[–] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 1 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Just in general, it's considered more polite Netiquete to make a comment explaining why the content was not deemed acceptable to you

Well, that's usually where I clash with people, because I add a comment a lot of the times under a comment or thread that I downvote. It's a bit of a juxtaposition when you're faced with repercussions for not agreeing with the "hivemind" or bubble or whatever.

As for why: how would you feel in return if like 50 people simply downvoted your comment here, while offering zero explanation about why they did that?

This already happens every day to week depending on the news cycle and what weird shit people here are cheering for next. As for how I feel? I don't really care, or rather at this point, knowing this platform, I just feel justified when a comment calling out things like Hamas cock sucking getting downvoted, because I know full well that its all the people who feel addressed by that comment.

And to draw a parallel to the modlog, as a user, you don't even know what happens to your comments or bans, unless you specifically look for it, and even then you can't tell why things happened as they happened.

[–] OpenStars 1 points 1 week ago

Example: being at the post you want to look up (you can still search the modlog the old way too, though this is a new short-cut), click the hamburger menu and you can see either the user's or the individual post's full moderation history:

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and then this is the result for that one, so note that it's the full history, not just the latest action or current status whatever:

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So I mean, yeah, you do have to click once if you are interested, but you don't have to do all the convoluted filtering in order to find it, as you used to.

Here's a second example for you - you see that it is removed, and let's say that you desire to know why:

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I guess it's 2 clicks b/c first the hamburger menu, then scroll to the last option, but after those 2 clicks, here's what you see - the answer that you wanted to know!?:

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I don't know the rules of that community, but the mod claims that you violated multiple of them, plus used abusive language in particular - e.g. not stating "I disagree with your thoughts" but calling someone "a dumb baby" specifically.

Again, you can do whatever you want... but so too can mods, and that's a tough thing that they have to do btw, to enforce the rules that their community wants and demands that someone do for them. Start up your own community if you wish, and then you can be your own mod, but then people will end up disagreeing with you and you will experience first-hand what it is like to be in that moderator position: it is not always, nor even usually, fun - it's WORK, and most people (the kind with a conscience) feel that it's a heavy burden (though some do abuse their role, I definitely concede that point as well).

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