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Referencing Marx is any fashion is tankie behavior?
Just consider it a warning for everyone here, is all. Praising Marx unprompted is definitely leaning into dangerous territory.
You may need to get out more. Marx is the father of modern sociology, a debt even Max Weber acknowledged. "Marx wasn't all bad" isn't a hot take outside of anywhere that doesn't hang a tattered, non-code compliant American flag from the front porch.
It's not that everyone who appreciates Marx is wrong, no no no, it's just a nearly universal belief among all of the worst examples of human beings which are unfortunately swarming all over lemmy in an attempt to radicalize people.
So avoid that shit whenever possible.
Surrendering Marx because shitheads use him as an aesthetic is like surrendering the American flag because shitheads use it as an aesthetic. All you do in doing so is lending power to your enemies for no good goddamn reason. Even less justified, really, since Marx has pretty clearly stated inclinations, while the US flag is far more abstract.
Especially silly when half of the tankies on here haven't read enough Marx to fill a thimble, and regularly and blatantly contradict him.
If this were a sociology, philosophy, history, or similar academic community then sure...
but not making Marxist memes is the easiest fucking thing you can possibly do. Are you planning to tell me I'm being unfair to chastise you because you accidentally tripped, opened your laptop, and photo-edited this meme so it's not really your fault for picking the subject matter?
No. I'm telling you that surrendering symbols to the opposition just means that the opposition then benefits from that symbol. Fuck that. It's both cowardly and stupid. I'm not going to puss out of reposting memes with Marx just because some ML fucks think workers' democracy is for squares.
"surrendering" fuck off
There are appropriate (and inappropriate) contexts for every subject.
Don't rightly know what else you'd call giving up a prominent and powerful symbol to the opposition without so much as a fight.
Yep, and that's why I feel fine posting a Marx meme in 196, where tankies aren't welcome.
What's your point? This meme is tankie because tankies like Marx? Makes no sense. This meme even has the original political statement removed from it as the main joke and you're talking about how it's tankie?
If I were accusing the meme of being Tankie I wouldn't post a warning at all, I would just report it.
I mean, if the meme's not tankie then you shouldn't need to give a warning at all...
Not even Tankies admit to being Tankies, you have to read the signs.
I would urge you to block lemmy.ml if you think they're swarming. It's pretty much only there, I blocked .ml and omg it's been so nice here now
That would prevent me from downvoting their posts but still allow them to show up in comments all over.
Marx kinda based ngl
Marxism /= Marxist-leninism
≠*
But
Marxist-leninism = Marxism
So better to stay away from it.
Ironically that statement is not controversial on .ml because they want it to be true.
Marxism might not be Marxist-leninism, but you'd be ignorant to think Marxist-leninism isn't Marxism. Marxist-leninists praise Marx, end of story.