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Reason I'm asking is because I have an aunt that owns like maybe 3 - 5 (not sure the exact amount) small townhouses around the city (well, when I say "city" think of like the areas around a city where theres no tall buildings, but only small 2-3 stories single family homes in the neighborhood) and have these houses up for rent, and honestly, my aunt and her husband doesn't seem like a terrible people. They still work a normal job, and have to pay taxes like everyone else have to. They still have their own debts to pay. I'm not sure exactly how, but my parents say they did a combination of saving up money and taking loans from banks to be able to buy these properties, fix them, then put them up for rent. They don't overcharge, and usually charge slightly below the market to retain tenants, and fix things (or hire people to fix things) when their tenants request them.

I mean, they are just trying to survive in this capitalistic world. They wanna save up for retirement, and fund their kids to college, and leave something for their kids, so they have less of stress in life. I don't see them as bad people. I mean, its not like they own multiple apartment buildings, or doing excessive wealth hoarding.

Do leftists mean people like my aunt too? Or are they an exception to the "landlords are bad" sentinment?

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[–] Yodan@lemm.ee 38 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I would argue that nobody should own a home they don't actually live in. All renting out does is increase the housing cost overall because nobody would ever operate at a loss or to break even. This is the issue people have with say, Blackrock who buys hundreds of homes at a time and rents them out.

Your family aren't bad people but the business they decided to take up is inherently bad by design. If the law changed tomorrow saying all multi homes must sell to non homeowners, everyone would watch prices drop and be able to afford it.

Using homes as an investment is at its basics, exploiting a need by interpreting it as a want or practical goods. Homes are for living in. The housing industry views homes like commodities as if people have a wide choice and selection when it's really "Omg we can afford this one that popped up randomly, we have 12 hours to decide if we want to pay 50k more to beat others away" and then lose anyway after bidding to Blackrock who pays 100k over asking.

[–] nimpnin@sopuli.xyz 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Homeowners also treat their home as an investment. Which also makes housing more expensive and inaccessible. Moving away from renting is not the solution, we need a more comprehensive change in the system.

[–] forrgott@lemm.ee 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The context here is quite different; in other words, you got an apples vs oranges issue here. A single home owner does not expect to profit from that investment; the increase in value is more of an insurance than anything (mortgages are taken out to cover emergencies, or the increase in value provides the means to move to a new home, etc). So, again, the context is extremely different.

Besides, if the expected inflation in value were the issue, shouldn't I expect increased wages to make up the difference? I.e. no, that would not contribute to making the housing market too expensive for the average person to find accessible.

[–] nimpnin@sopuli.xyz 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

A single home owner does not expect to profit from that investment

What are you talking about? People definitely buy homes as an investment so that they can sell it and retire.

increase in value provides the means to move to a new home

What is this, if not profiting off an investment?

[–] forrgott@lemm.ee 1 points 2 weeks ago

What are you talking about? People definitely buy homes as an investment so that they can sell it and retire.

That's insurance. The "profit" goal is not to rent seek or enrich themselves. And in this market it's a risky gamble, anyways.

If the so called profit is intended to be entirely consumed to take care of moving or retiring, it's insurance to allow you to move or retire; it's not profit you add to your income. It's not even properly described as "profit" since it's, by definition, unrealized gains.

These are not circumstances where you "cash out" and buy something fancy, or even pay your day to day bills. Context matters.