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Speaking to the MailOnline, Errol said he's proud to watch his son "accepting who he is". He said: "I think for the first time Elon was accepting who he is. Until recently, he's been a sort of character on a stage.

"When you come from South Africa, Lefties think you're a Nazi. To succeed, you need to be accepted by them so my sons, [Elon and younger brother Kimbal, a hugely successful restaurateur], started to become these flaming liberals – turning away from South Africa and their roots, which included me. Finally, Elon was embracing his heritage and his destiny."

In a separate interview, Errol explained how right-wing poltics were at the core of his family's history. Elon's maternal grandparents relocated from Canada to South Africa in the early 1900s as they knew the Afrikaner government was a stronghold of support for Nazism outside of Germany.

"They used to support Hitler and all that sort of stuff. But they didn't know, I don't think they knew what the Nazis were doing. But they [the grandparents] were in the German Nazi party but in Canada. And they sympathise with the Germans. "

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[–] jonne@infosec.pub 222 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Elon's maternal grandparents relocated from Canada to South Africa in the early 1900s as they knew the Afrikaner government was a stronghold of support for Nazism outside of Germany.

Man, how is this something you just share in an interview as if it's just a nice piece of family history.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 55 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (4 children)

Isn't it a bit anachronistic to talk about Nazism in the 1900s? There were precursor German nationalist movements then, but the name "Nazism" is from later. That said, it sounds like Musk's family were ready to embrace it good and early.

Edit: Maybe that date is a misprint? Musk's mother was born in 1948. If her parents decided to move to South Africa in the 1900s for political reasons they'd have to have been adults then, which would make them implausibly old parents. Or maybe "early 1900s" is being used to mean "first half of the 20th century"?

Another edit: It seems that the maternal grandparents moved to South Africa in 1950, not the early 1900s. So it had nothing to do with Nazism per se, but quite a lot to do with thinking like Nazis:

But in 1950, Haldeman’s “quirky” politics led him to make an unusual and dramatic choice: to leave Canada for South Africa. Haldeman had built a comfortable life for himself in Regina, Saskatchewan’s capital. His chiropractic practice was one of Canada’s largest and allowed him to possess his own airplane and a 20-room home he shared with his wife and four young children. He’d been active in politics, running for both the provincial and national parliaments and even becoming the national chairman of a minor political party. Meanwhile, he’d never even been to South Africa.

What would make a man undertake such a radical change? Isaacson writes that Haldeman had come “to believe that the Canadian government was usurping too much control over the lives of individuals and that the country had gone soft.” One of Haldeman’s sons has written that it may have simply been “his adventurous spirit and the desire for a more pleasant climate in which to raise his family.” But another factor was at play: his strong support for the brand-new apartheid regime.

An examination of Joshua Haldeman’s writings reveals a radical conspiracy theorist who expressed racist, anti-Semitic, and antidemocratic views repeatedly, and over the course of decades—a record I studied across hundreds of documents from the time, including newspaper clips, self-published manuscripts, university archives, and private correspondence. Haldeman believed that apartheid South Africa was destined to lead “White Christian Civilization” in its fight against the “International Conspiracy” of Jewish bankers and the “hordes of Coloured people” they controlled.

Elon Musk’s Anti-Semitic, Apartheid-Loving Grandfather

Archive link: https://archive.is/x3OYY

[–] meco03211@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago

Nazi party was only formed in 1920. Had to be after that. And I don't think the Nazi party faced much international ire until late 30s. IANAHistorian.

[–] skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 3 weeks ago

FWIW, MailOnline is terrible at journalism. I'm sure this site referring to that is at least as bad. Thanks to you for doing the research!

[–] SreudianFlip@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Just a reminder that the former Mayor of Regina later became Canada's notorious KKK Member of Parliament. So Regina, settler haven of starlight tours and other delightful forms of subjugation, wasn't racist enough for these degenerates.

[–] HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Just one small edit there ... Saskatoon was the settler haven for starlight tours beginning in the mid/late 70s.

Source is me ... I lived there in the 70s and 80s and had a couple of male friends it happened to (they survived).

[–] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

For those who need to what a starlight tour is, it’s when the police would drive indigenous people out in the country at night in the middle of winter.

[–] quafeinum@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

And then leave them there. Missing the important part