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Lemmy.ml users incoming to tell me how that's actually the EU's fault
ever since i started using lemmy all I've heard is bad things about that instance so I don't understand why we don't just defederate from them? This is a genuine question to anyone with the answer, thanks!
I started there. It's tiring when every international political discussion boils done to China/Russia good because NATO bad. .ml is subtle about it and does a lot of word game shit you see in right wing media. They maintain enough plausible deniability to remain federated. The defederate instances were the one using slurs.
Yes, they are more subtle in parroting propaganda, but they block everyone who is only slightly critical of China/Russia. They are the same people.
@ashley0_0@lemmy.blahaj.zone This puzzles me, too. That instance is a cheap propaganda instance that has been banned by Reddit some time ago for a good reason. I don't know why we don't defederate.
It's the instance admined by the authors of Lemmy itself. The official forum is !lemmy@lemmy.ml. It's a bit disingenuous to ask to defederate from them, unless we want the already tense relationship with the authors of the software to break entirely.
Well Lemmy is open source, isn't it? So someone could just make a fork of it, can't they?
Of course they could but that's not free. Forked projects are a lot of work. Maybe it would be easier to go for a different software, such as kbin. Or maybe the defederation goes over just fine and arrangements are found easily. I don't know. My point is there's a social component to defederating that's likely a bit bigger than just shutting out Russia/China enjoyers.
I have to disagree. It's not just this community's "West bad, Russia/China bad okay" hypocrisy and the fact that they convey their narrative and their narrative only (everything else gets immediately blocked, while they accuse others literally of 'double standards'). One of my main points is that they support Russia's war in Ukraine, which is a genocide. It's the only community that openly supports an attempted genocide.
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That's a response to an argument I was not making. I share your non-enthusiasm about .ml.
I was talking about the social cost of locking out the creators of Lemmy. It's reasonable to argue that that social cost is worth bearing. But it's imo unreasonable to pretend it doesn't exist.
However, I would caution that .ml is the standard instance that many people start out at, because that's the site promoted from Lemmy's GitHub and from join-lemmy:org. There are reasonable people caught among the unreasonable ones.
I'd object to [.ml] being the "only community that supports an attempted genocide" [emphasis mine], for two reasons:
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What does that mean? The aggressor here is Russia, they started the war unprovoked. What exactly is 'unparalleled'?
I was talking about genocide and offensive wars in general, not the context of this particular war.
So what does that mean? If .lm communities openly support Russia's war in Ukraine, is it a 'stance of absolute moral superiority' to condemn this because the same happens elsewhere? (It should be a matter of course, but just to mention it: We must condemn genocide everywhere, no matter where it happens.)
I am admittedly having a hard time putting my contention with this into words in a way that makes sense. I may have chosen the wrong hill to die on. In which case, sorry for that "absolute moral stance". I do think the remainder of that comment holds up, though.
So it's the only community that is openly supporting genocide, right? That's obvious I guess.
Absolutely not. I mentioned the Bear and Grad servers before. I am pretty sure you'll find niches supporting the Gaza war or supporting other genocidal conflicts.
Since .ml is the server advertized to people via join-lemmy:org, it also attracts a more diverse crowd, so not every user there is a tankie.
No, not every user is a tankie there. I perfectly agree with that. Many users are unaware when they join the server.
But those who are responsible there are the same or at least have the same mindset like the Bear and Grad servers.
I feel used to the internet being full of stupid nonsense, so I just ignore .ml's share, and in a way it's a refreshing balance to the usual genre from e.g. .world and Reddit. Usually it's either run-of-the-mill echo chamber or respectful discussion.
But there's lots of good stuff on .ml too. I'm glad to still be federated.
It’s just a ridiculous trope, a preemptive threat against posting a non-mainstream stance.
Wasn't .ml the second largest instance at one point?