Ok you are upset because you think someone voted for one of only two parties counter to your "VERY easy choice" and that would leave only one option. That would mean a single "correct" way to vote, the same stance the Dems took in 2016, 2020 and 2024.

Lets walk though this, You are getting upset that when people talk about voters of a demographic not feeling represented by one of only two parties someone steps up to give their own personal example. The same party that just lost to what is clearly a fascist due in part to not getting the vote of above demographic. You instead start slinging shit to someone for even thinking about not voting "the right way" (see above how they say "2024 was the last time I will ever vote for a democrat") by laughably calling them a snowflake or a reactionary idiot (I guess this could also be me) instead of even pretending to read what you are replying to.

Neither myself (not from the USA) or the person above voted for Trump. The point I am pressing here is that the person who is getting their "special little feels get squishy… boo hoo..." seems to be you. You are advocating what? Shut up and take my guilt? Feel bad about living in a nation that given a choice between the status quo and fascism chose fascism chose fascism?

[–] 4grams@awful.systems 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (13 children)

Again, all you assholes think I’m upset about not voting for democrats. Vote for people, vote for issues, vote for the greater good. I have pulled the lever for both parties and independents, in the same election even

What im pissed about has nothing to do with party, its whiney assholes who think that their special feels issue is more important than preventing an open fascist from taking power.

I don’t care if turnip was a democrat, republican, alien, cat, slime mold or the actual god he believes himself to be, he’s going to destroy this nation and has told us all how. He’s going to deport millions, take away human rights, further enrich himself and his friends, he’s objectively worse on all the international fronts, letting Ukraine and Gaza be wiped out. Now, I don’t care for a second that there is a chance he was lying or too incompetent to pull it off, it’s all been promised and a bunch of selfish assholes wouldn’t stop it because they weren’t pandered enough to.

Yes, I am literally angry that this nation chose fascism over status quo. The nation and world is fucked because people aren’t willing to put in the work, to put aside their feelings for the greater good. I do not, apologize, nor feel guilty for feeling this way. I’m angry with the American public, mostly men (largely because I am one and can see the forest for the trees).

[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 1 points 1 month ago (11 children)

a bunch of selfish assholes wouldn’t stop it because they weren’t pandered enough to.

Yeahhhhh, once again the people you are slinging mud at did not vote for Trump. And please think about calling other people selfish assholes because they did not do as you did for the next (if there is one) election, it might help.

[–] 4grams@awful.systems 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Ok, so we’re at an impasse here. I do not find this line of thinking defensible and I do think this is the words of an asshole:

“Saving the nation from fascism and preserving their own rights, freedoms and lives in the process wasn't a good enough reason to speak to people like me with respect. And now they can burn for it. And they're going to blame me for it, just like they've blamed me for everything their entire lives.”

I’m in that exact same boat but I don’t give one single shit about not being thanked, nor for being blamed. Maybe it’s because I am a father and I don’t really live for myself but doesn’t matter because it’s not something that makes me feel bad. Men are a problem, men should do better, and they should do it because they are good, not because they deserve it, or they want thanks. Doing the good is the reward. My life’s guiding principal is the old Paul Wellstone canard: “we all do better when we all do better”. In the end, I’m just as selfish as everyone else because ultimately I’m after my own happiness and fascism, suffering, exploitation, cheating, etc. is antithetical to it.

I can already hear responses, yes both sides are terrible but one was UNDENIABLY far, far worse and we will face the same decision in the future so this ain’t a fucking team sport to me. I’ll pull the fucking trigger for satan himself if he’s going to maximize the good.

[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I don't see the words of an asshole, just a frustrated voter who taking the blame for something they voted to stop. If you read the quote you used you can see that they are calling out the problem they think cost the Dems the election, namely treating people like them with respect. They like anyone else expects to be treated with a bit of respect, and your response is to what? Prove them justified?

I’m in that exact same boat but I don’t give one single shit about not being thanked, nor for being blamed.

But you clearly do. I am not saying both sides are terrible (not sure why you are imagining the other half of a conversation), I am saying the US is in this mess partly due to this toxic bullshit about "Men are a problem, men should do better, and they should do it because they are good, not because they deserve it, or they want thanks."

There is only so much you can expect any demographic to do counter to their own interests before they do what you see above, give up and say fuck it. You are now going to double down and place blame on (lets see if I remember this right) frustrated reluctant Harris voters?

DO YOU WANT TO BE GOVERNED BY A FASCIST? BECAUSE THIS IS HOW YOU DO IT. (did it)

[–] 4grams@awful.systems 1 points 1 month ago

You don’t, I do. Maybe it’s because similar language was used in an attempted assault against me today..

People deserve respect because of actions, not transactions.

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