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Because you now did it to yourself.

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[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

We gave Democrats enough seats. They used them predictably.

[–] Cornelius_Wangenheim@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No, we didn't. They had 48 seats, which is not enough to accomplish anything.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world -1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

You're ignoring that 2 independents caucus with Democrats. It's dishonest to exclude them. But you're splitting hairs because it's convenient for your excuses.

[–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 1 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Two independents from conservative states that barely align with democrats. Why do you handwave this away so easily???

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

One of the independents is Bernie Sanders.

Manchin and Sinema were both capital-D Democrats at the time they did everything you wanted.

[–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

They did NOT do everything. It fact we barely got them to do much. All this information is publicly available. Their voting records are available to see. None of this is hidden. They are the primary reason most of the bills that DID pass were almost completely neutered because they were negotiated down or stalled. This also happened only a few years ago. We are not talking about last decade.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 points 29 minutes ago

They did NOT do everything.

God damn, you're bad at reading. First you act like Manchin and Sinema were independents when they were blocking shit for you, and now you're ignoring parts of my sentence to make it contrary to what I said.

Manchin and Sinema did everything that YOU WANTED THEM TO DO. They blocked legislation. That's all you wanted.

There is no point in arguing with you since you selectively pretend to be unable to read.

[–] Cornelius_Wangenheim@lemmy.world -1 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

If they didn't vote with the Dems when it actually mattered, why should they count?

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

THEY DID. Unlike Manchin and Sinema, independents caucused with the party.

The Democratic caucus had 50 seats. We gave them the seats. They used them like you wanted.

[–] Cornelius_Wangenheim@lemmy.world 0 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

I am talking about Sinema and Manchin only. They may have had a D next to their name, but they were not on the side of Democrats when it mattered.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 16 hours ago

And we gave Democrats those seats.

Lying and saying that we only gave Democrats 48 just because 2 of them did everything you wanted doesn't mean that we didn't give Democrats what they needed.