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Forcing medical procedures on people, threatening them with arrest if they go outside, and censoring info about the vaccine is "for the greater good"? All while the people who were supposed to be protecting us were blatantly breaking their own regulations? How so? Would you throw every American in prison if it meant people were "safer"? What happened to "my body, my choice"?
Your sources are absolute shit. Try harder.
Are you saying these things didn't happen? What's wrong with my sources? And again would you imprison the whole country in the name of "safety"?
I'm saying your sources are absolute shit because that's not fascism.
That doesn't have anything to do with the quality of the sources. That's just disagreeing with my point. But how is imprisoning people for going outside not fascism?
I'm not disagreeing with your sources. I'm disagreeing with you. You're the one saying these actions are fascist. And I'm telling you it's not. I suggest you do some actual reading on fascism before sitting there saying that implementing public health measure for a once-in-a-century virus outbreak that's killed tens of millions is fascism.
You started off by saying my sources are bad, which is, by definition, disagreeing with them. Also, you haven't explained how imprisoning people for going outside and censoring information isn't fascist. I'm certain that fascists throughout history have done and defended stuff like this for the exact same reasons you are - "for the greater good," "for the sake of public health," etc. Maybe we should throw everyone in prison and never let them speak to each other in-person anymore so communicable diseases like COVID can never spread again, since if you do fascist things because you think you're right, that makes it not fascism.
The difference is Covid was justified.
So it isn't fascism when you think it's justified. Would you say the same thing about genocide or persecuton? How are are you willing to go with the idea that the ends justify the means?
It isn't fascism when healthcare systems get overwhelmed, an unprecedented level of people are dying, and every expert was advising for the measures that were implemented (and more in a lot of cases). There were reasons these rules were put in place. And it wasn't for anyone's ego or political points.
So in other words... The ends justify the means?
No.
Really? That sounds like what you're saying: it's acceptable to censor information, criminalize going outsid and not wearing a piece of cloth if it's for a good cause. Namely, it's okay to do these things if fewer people die of a disease. This is, in fact, justifying the means by pointing to the goal (the ends). Can you explain the distinction between what you're saying and how I've explained it?
You're sources don't support the censorship of information. Just calling out supposed "vaccine hesitancy" and saying to stop it due to its impact on the public health. And yes temporary measure to wear masks and isolate is perfectly acceptable given the circumstances.
I would suggest you actually lookup examples of fascism and compare it to what yoy see today. Try send connect the dots.
Literally the first paragraph from the article by the US Congress:
And now you admit that the ends justify the means?
Don't cherrypick quotes. What does the next 2 paragraph say?
I'm not sure why you're insisting on not actually reading the document but alright:
Emphasis mine is the government explaining the need for, and the demanding, censorship.
Next paragraph:
This paragraph details how Facebook, under pressure from the government, agreed to remove information. That is, the government censored information. If you'd like to argue that a private individual being coerced into deleting something isn't censorship, then perhaps you'd say the same about a newspaper being forced to not run a story about a government killing?
And for the sake of getting further context, let's look at the next few paragraphs:
Further explaining government demands for censorship.
The government, again, demands censorship.
More pressure from the government.
And this is a very clear example of censorship happening.
I think you get the idea. If you'd like to dispute what the article says, why don't you read it yourself?
You're conflating information with misinformation. The quotes say misinformation, not information.
So it's okay to force private companies to remove it if the government says it's false?
Not "if the government says it's false" if it is false. Why are you accepting being lied to?
I don't know why you're accepting a boot on your neck. The Supreme Court is clear that the government cannot regulate the speech of an organization simply because they don't like the content. If you would like to give the government the right to determine what is and isn't true and thus permissible on social media, that would mean Trump could rightly censor whatever claims/information he wanted - say, trans rights promotion, immigration assistance, and the like.
Also, here's some information about what was being censored:
I'm glad we're clear that you think the ends justify the means.
The Supreme Court ruling doesn't apply here since we already established we were talking about the distribution of misinformation.
Your list of censored opinions is ridiculous given they're openly accessible, not to mention the fact that they don't help your case at al.
The first link is from a publicly funded institution, so not censored, and the study corroborates that the benefits outweigh the cons for vaccines:
Second bullet point is a frivolous lawsuit that never went anywhere.
Third bullet point is inconclusive and said more studies is needed. Furthermore, it's not COVID specific.
Same with the fourth bullet point.
So far, you've given me complete bullshit to support some stupid and incorrect claim that vaccine and mask mandates are fascist and then tried to actually justify their ineffectiveness using sources that don't even support your claims and sometimes even contradicts it.
I am not going to bother responding to you anymore. It's clear you'd rather perpetrate misinformation than actually look at the evidence in front of your eyes. I only made this last comment to make sure anyone reading this how much misinformation you've been producing.
Yes, it does apply, because the entirety of what I've posted below was classified as "misinformation" and thus removed under pressure from the government. That is censorship. The Supreme Court found you cannot be forced to not publish information from a source the government doesn't like. The scope of the censorship was specific to social media - again, this information was deleted by Facebook under pressure from the government.
Simply because the government believes the benefits outweigh the risks does not mean people shouldn't be informed of the risks; that would be censorship, which was what the government did to Facebook and Twitter.
My point there was to point out the efficacy claims were not as straightforward as the media claimed; government didn't like that truth, so it was censored.
You're splitting hairs on the remaining points. The point is that the link between surgical masks and the spread of diseases was not what the media claimed. The government didn't want that to be known, and thus it was removed from social media.
I'm not sure if you're willfully misinterpreting and downplaying my statements, but the lengths you'll go to defend censorship and pointless imprisonment are startling. A society should function on the basis of doing good so that good may come, not doing bad so that good may come. I don't see what's so controversial about that. I'm only producing information that's been published already. You're the one defending what would rightly be called government overreach while refusing to explain what the distinction between is and fascism is.
Again, your arguments could be used to justify Trump removing pro-trans and pro-immigration information from social media. I don't want anyone to have that power.