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[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 28 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

Oligarchs have all the power now

[–] Jumpingspiderman@lemmy.world 6 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

Except they've always had all the power. The money gets what the money wants.

[–] PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 1 points 10 hours ago

True.

But now more of the hurdles will be removed. Gotta make that wealth extraction more efficient 📈🥴
Can't let those poor and middle class people hold onto any of their money.

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago

That's not true, we had a good run from the forties until I was born in the eighties. A whole forty years of some amount of power!

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 12 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

I wonder how quickly will the US progress from Elon Musk prancing around on stage to Trump Jack Ma-ing him, or if Bloomberg will commit suicide by six shots to the back of the head.

The golden age of the US oligarchy has been this past period. Under fascism, the causal relationship between having power and money reverses.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 4 points 12 hours ago

WDYM, Hitler was pretty friendly with German oligarchy. No suiciding them or something, their relationships were pretty chill, having fun together, going to countryside, going to each other with families, having coffee.

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 3 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

what are you even talking about? Rich people are last on a long list of scapegoats

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 4 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Look at Russia's oligarchs. Hell, look at Hungary.

There was this one wealthy guy bankrolling Orbán's campaigns, one of the wealthiest people in Hungary. He got into an argument with Orbán publicly. Today he's neither wealthy, nor living in Hungary.

The people will not turn on rich people. I'm saying rich people are used to be controlling politics, but in a Russian style system, rich people are controlled BY politics, not the other way around.

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 2 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

He's still alive and no longer in hungary? so like rich people might move to their vacation estate for a year or two? this is just ordinary rich people stuff except instead of doing it for a tax cut they're doing it because they publicly disagreed. Its theater. The whole point is to protect the money piles. It took russia like 20 years to start fussing about rich people that left the country

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 4 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Imagine Murdoch arguing with Trump, trying to bankroll another party to rein him in, with it ending in him selling all his news outlets and retiring.

The point is that money doesn't get you political power in this system.

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 0 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Imagine because that's not even remotely how it works.

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 1 points 8 hours ago

Not in the US, not yet.

In a Russian style society, money means jack shit against actual power.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 3 points 15 hours ago

It depends if Vance can place a rollerskate at the top of the White House steps before that happens.

[–] archchan@lemmy.ml 12 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

Now? I wasn't aware they ever didn't.

[–] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 13 points 16 hours ago

It's more like all pretense is gone now. Before, there was this veneer of legitimacy. Now, it's straight up fascism. It's a matter of image projection.

[–] 13esq@lemmy.world 8 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

More like the oligarchy now have 99% of the power rather than 98%.

The issue is that we believe we have a free democracy when the only power we have is to put an X in a box every few years. The system isn't broken, it's working as it's designed to.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 3 points 12 hours ago

The issue is that we believe we have a free democracy when the only power we have is to put an X in a box every few years.

Right.