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Who are the good guys in the Israel/Palestine conflict? (lemmy.world)

submitted 3 days ago by Greyfoxsolid@lemmy.world to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

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I genuinely do not know who the bad guys are. S lot of my leftist friends are against Israel, but from what I know Israel was attacked and is responding and trying to get their hostages back.

Enlighten me. Am I wrong? Why am I wrong?

And dumb it down for me, because apparently I'm an idiot.

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[–] Greyfoxsolid@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'm referring to this part of your timeline-

"~600 BCE: The first major expulsion of Jews from areas variously known through time as Palestine, Israel, Jerusalem, and many others. ~538 BCE: Jews are allowed to return (until next time). ~538 BCE through 1896 CE: For the sake of brevity, let's just say Jewish people rarely had real control over this land and were consistently persecuted and/or expelled from wherever they were."

Maybe I'm misreading it, but it seems to imply that they were, as a people, born from that land, and systemically were persecuted through the course of around 2400 years.

[–] would_be_appreciated@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 days ago

I think there's a lot of fuzzyness around the idea of "born from that land." It's not like they sprouted out of the earth. As with just about any people, there was a lot of rape and murder of warring tribes until some combination of them stopped doing as much rape and as much murder and somewhat arbitrarily called themselves "one people." If you want to call that "born from that land," sure, but their ancestry goes back further than that. We're all just apes.