Asklemmy

44152 readers

1197 users here now

A loosely moderated place to ask open-ended questions

Search asklemmy 🔍

If your post meets the following criteria, it's welcome here!

Open-ended question
Not offensive: at this point, we do not have the bandwidth to moderate overtly political discussions. Assume best intent and be excellent to each other.
Not regarding using or support for Lemmy: context, see the list of support communities and tools for finding communities below
Not ad nauseam inducing: please make sure it is a question that would be new to most members
An actual topic of discussion

Looking for support?

Looking for a community?

Lemmyverse: community search
sub.rehab: maps old subreddits to fediverse options, marks official as such
!lemmy411@lemmy.ca: a community for finding communities

~Icon~ ~by~ ~@Double_A@discuss.tchncs.de~

founded 5 years ago

MODERATORS

115

Who are the good guys in the Israel/Palestine conflict? (lemmy.world)

submitted 1 month ago by Greyfoxsolid@lemmy.world to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

277 comments fedilink hide all child comments

I genuinely do not know who the bad guys are. S lot of my leftist friends are against Israel, but from what I know Israel was attacked and is responding and trying to get their hostages back.

Enlighten me. Am I wrong? Why am I wrong?

And dumb it down for me, because apparently I'm an idiot.

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments

[–] HomerianSymphony@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

the powers that be (UK and US primarily) already have control of the area (still Mandatory Palestine), and a desire to maintain control of the area, they decide to give most of that land to the Jews and call it Israel.

Israel wasn't created by the UK or the US (or the UN). Israelis declared the state of Israel themselves after seizing territory in the 1948 Arab-Israeli War.

The UN did have a plan to create an Israel in 1947, but that didn't happen, because neither the Jews, the Arabs, nor the UK were on board.

[–] would_be_appreciated@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 month ago

I think this might be a semantic argument - it's not important to me if we use the words "give" or "create." Happy to use whatever words you prefer for allies having power and control of an area and ensuring that power and control is transferred to their chosen ally.

British Mandatory Palestine was officially ending May 15, 1948. Israel announced its independence on May 14, 1948. The United States officially recognized Israel as a state 11 minutes after it declared itself a sovereign state. It's strange to suggest these are coincidences rather than planned action with their allies, but there's plenty of evidence in addition to this to make it very clear that Israel wouldn't have stood a chance without the backing of their superpower friends.