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I'm guessing it's like Christianity where there are leftist Christians who follow Jesus' more progressive messages such as giving to the less fortunate and healing the sick, and then there are the scary Christian evangelicals that want A Handmaids Tale and conversion therapy. Logically, Islam probably isn't a monolith in a similar way other religions aren't.

However, I have never heard about what those of the Islamic faith actually believe outside of the hysterical post 9/11 Islamophobia I've been indoctrinated with as a child.

I want to know what the truth is and hear the other sides story. To me it's obvious that Islamophobia is wrong, however when Islamophobes make wild claims about it, I can't really refute them confidently because I'm simply ignorant of the facts. Please educate my dumb, white ass.

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[–] afters@hexbear.net 7 points 5 days ago (1 children)

implying muslim cultures aren't predominantly heteropatriarchal is probably some kind of orientalism

what the fuck am I reading

[–] boboblaw@hexbear.net 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Something something Muslims are the real racists.

It's actually racist to deny that Muslim cultures are inherently misogynistic.

I will never stop Hoxha-posting.

Americans (and their simps) will literally devastate a Muslim country, install the most psychotic fundamentalists in power, and then have the audacity to say shit like

"I'm a leftist but why is it that despite being 20% of the population, Muslims commit 90% of the misogyny and homophobia? Must just be characteristic of the Islamic brainpan."

Fun fact: The word "Hoxha" means

Noun

hoxhë m (plural hoxhë, definite hoxha, definite plural hoxhët) imam

The man from a family of Islamic teachers led the majority Muslim country through the most extensive improvement of women's rights in history. Women went from being essentially chattel property and rarely getting rudimentary schooling, to being almost half the government, scientists, doctors, engineers in a few decades.

The sheer audacity of westerners to make such presumptions about "Muslim cultures" is mind-boggling. A Muslim country hit the communism button and completely rebuilt the social order, uplifting women to a position better than that of any in the west, and how does the west respond?

By trying, tooth and nail, to destroy it. And after they've destroyed it, western so-called leftists will opine that Muslim cultures just be misogynistic like that.

[–] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Something something Muslims are the real racists.

It's actually racist to deny that Muslim cultures are inherently misogynistic.

no, i mean that saying they're so wildly different from the patriarchal homophobic west that we shouldn't use terms like "patriarchy" would also be orientalist.

the progressivism of now-fallen socialist governments does not outweigh the majority of current societies. east and west are both predominantly patriarchal, largely but not exclusively because of european christian exports and imperialism

[–] boboblaw@hexbear.net 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

the progressivism of now-fallen socialist governments does not outweigh the majority of current societies. east and west are both predominantly patriarchal, largely but not exclusively because of european christian exports and imperialism

Fair enough. I guess after they've fallen to the American Empire, they're not even really a Muslim culture anymore. Capitalist vassal states first and foremost. kitty-cri-texas

Like, what happened to usury being haram?