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You have an opportunity to turn this moment into an organizing conversation with the libs in your life. I had one in this very thread.
Also I don't agree that votes are useless. If you're outside a swing state every lib in your life should vote Green or PSL to show they don't support genocide. If you're in MI, NV, PA, or other swing states those libs should vote Green or PSL to punish Democrats for literally arming a genocide. It's a good outcome for us if Trump wins one of these states by less votes than Stein + PSL combined get. Force the Dems to have to move left for once!
I disagree. You should vote PSL ESPECIALLY if you are in a swing state.
That's not really going to happen, or else it would have after 2000 or 2016. Instead there was a pivot to an even more conservative Dem candidate.
They will not take us seriously for anything short of a mobilized mass movement, at least 100k people in the streets of major cities.
That happened in 2020 and all they did was crush the movement violently and then declare covid to be over
I would call that a periodic paroxysm of rage more than a coordinated mass movement.
I wouldn't, in part because I didn't know those words
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If they lose, and keep losing, because of 3rd party votes preventing them from winning close races, then they will either shift or die out as a party.
Having a chance to push the Dems left is worth a 15 minute drive to a polling site
I'll walk 10 minutes to my polling site to leverage about 12 bytes' worth of political speech, but I'm not going to harbor any delusions that voting is a pathway to anything at all. A number on a paper about an opinion is just that, nothing more. It does not automatically convert into anything; it must be manually converted with force or threat of force.
Sure. I want to see a big number for Jill and Claudia because that number can lead to more people becoming comfortable leaving the two-party system. We need to grow as a movement and that means getting a lot of Libs deprogrammed.
Also I'm assuming most people here are voting in local elections or ballot measures. Your vote for School Board is more impactful than your vote for President. Why not give PSL a vote while you're there?
I vote third party for that reason. I started voting third party with that expectation multiple elections ago, but I no longer have any delusion that people are going to follow the way I think just because I put it concretely.
I'm already planning on doing as you suggest, but without any belief in the consequentiality of it. Ultimately, my state will be won by a margin of 500k+ votes, and my vote for the PSL will mostly just make me feel good, and be able to say
for 
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As someone who voted third party in the 2016 election and watched absolutely nothing change and nothing was even learned, I'm telling you to put your hope in more productive places.