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I'd like to think they're all just Russian trolls but increasingly, I think some people are just selfish or dumb.
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this post was submitted on 24 Oct 2024
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Oh the irony here.
If there are only two viable options, not helping one is the same as helping the other.
Sorry, those are the choices for what election?
If there's a toddler about to walk into traffic and you choose to keep swiping on tinder or whatever instead of helping the kid, that kid's death is still on you.
Samw thing with not stopping trump.
It's really not complicated.
Okay, 40k have died, you can choose to be on your phone and another 80k will die ot you can help and only 40k more will die.
Hey kiddo, instead of deflecting to Palestine, how about you explain how either this voting instance is different than the analogy I've given or admit that you'd be fine letting the kid die because of whatever.
If you're going to be incorrectly smug about voting third party, try answering a reasonable question about it.
Still waiting for an answer to a very simple question, how is voting 3rd party any different from letting the kid get run over?
You see you're just confused. you think that the 3rd party vote represents the child being run over. it doesn't it represents the attempt to save the child. remember harris and trump are both genocidal that child is gonna get wrecked from their cars.
lol, nice try to spin out of this. The child in the street represents Palestineans after the election. Maybe some will still die but I damn well promise you more will die with trump. What you are doing by voting third party is actually pretty much like complaining on your phone about this kid about to die, it doesn't help the kid, doesn't help anyone except for make you feel like you somehow did something even though more kids die because you couldn't be bothered to vote for the lesser of two evils.
It's selfish, silly and harms the folks whom you pretend to care about.
Spin Right round baby. Just because you're comfortable supporting a genocide doesnt mean we all are. Basically every other issue you're trying to place harris as the defender of she literally has no power to directly influence except veto powers.
Want lgbt+ rights nationally? Thats congress. What them now in your area? Thats local elections. Those issues not being resolved are due to the voters in those areas.
Funny that you want safety for those groups but not arabs. Take your nonsense else where.
Do you legitimately think trump will be better for the Palestinians/anyone living in the Middle East?
I'm just trying to understand how you can be so confused.
no, I think both are equally bad for Palestinians/middle east. genocide means dead. there is no coming back from that. its happening right now. You understand this right? Harris has promised it'll continue. her own words.
I'm not confused. both candidates have gone on the record for genocide explicitly. the only difference is harris tells you she wants peace while handing israel the missiles.
Do you know what the definition of insanity is? doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting different results. you keep voting for genocidal nut jobs, guess what you're going to get? All I'm doing is telling you not to be fucking surprised when you get a genocide because you wouldn't stand up.
Holy damn, is your entire position based on you not understanding people are exaggerating?!? I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
What percentage of Palestinians do you think will be around after either presidency? (I mean, even if the PLO is undercounting by half, that's 100,000 dead Palestineans in one year. Given there are more than 5 million Palestineans, well I'd say you can do the math but I'm not sure of that, so to give you a hand, that would be 50 more years of conflict at this pace before there are no more...)
And if you are actually a parody account (please be a parody, please be a parody) goddamn, well played!
Well I'll grant you this is a new approach from someone.... lets see how it works out for you.
So as long as its slow enough you're okay with genocide? thats your argument? well as long as they only kill 300/day we'll just let it slide. if they die from starvation, dehydration, disease, well that's definitely unrelated to our activities! I mean I guess this approach has worked.
You're also okay with israel killing journalists, WHO staff, UN staff, etc?
Good to know.
Harris would end her term with fewer dead Palestinians than trump would.
That is a good thing.
Enabling trump leads to more Palestinians dying than would die if Harris was President.
That is a bad thing.
Agreed, hopefully she doesn't lose. But if she does the dem twits only have themselves to blame. It means there would be a 30ish pt shift to 3rd party candidates in my state for that to happen. I can only dream of Americans becoming that morally aware.
Okay, so at least you finally agree that Harris and trump are not the same. This is progress!
Now, if you understand that trump is worse, surely you must see how not helping Harris means you are making it more likely that more Palestinians die?
What's trumps excuse? What's your excuse? What's God's excuse?
I'm tired of all this. I take full responsibility. If I had done more this tragedy could have been averted. I'm sorry to those who have suffered because of my inadequacy. Render what ever judgment you will on me and in the future, if there is one for scum like me, I will try to do better.
who cares? he never had a chance at my vote to begin with for a large number of reasons. we can just add it to the pile of shitty things trump is okay doing. but we already knew he was willing to commit genocide. this is a surprise to no one who as paid attention.
dunno if i could find him i'd ask him.
for what? not supporting harris? I've been very clear on this: genocide.
so am I friend, so am I. I'm not the one running around trying to convince people to vote for a particular candidate by shaming others using intellectually dishonest claims of 'helping trump', 'both parties were going genocide, pick the lesser evil', etc.
I want people to get off their ass and vote. I didnt vote for harris or trump, I voted down ballot. I'm also not in a swing state or a state with shitty womens rights. harris is going to win my state regardless. That being said the liberals running around spouting nonsense about helping trump when its clearly and demonstrably not true is going to lead to people not voting at all.
And that my friend is why I call this shit out. because they might have voted down ticket regardless which can only help the situation. and quite frankly im happy to treat people with the same level of vitriol that they treat others. Now I will continue campaigning against genocide and getting ranked choice done, please volunteer so people can stop being asses to each other.
It kind of matters. Just a little, don't you think. Don't you think the openly fascist candidate matters, sorta, kinda, just a little bit? You know your vote alone doesn't decide the outcome of the election, right?
Let me figure this one out. Your non support for Harris has discluded you from responsibility for the death of a child in a foreign nation? How about this, I don't support Harris either. I'll still vote for her.
do you have a point? what do you think I actually care about? its clearly not trump. yes person w/ the most votes wins.
let me ask you this, which is sadder: the fascist candidate or the one who can't beat the fascist candidate because shes entirely unappealing to americans?
What do you want out of this conversation? I want you to call your reps and tell them genocide isnt okay. maybe get you to donate your time to getting RCV passed in your state. Ideally anything that gets people to stop bitching about 3rd party voters who most likely are going to vote down ballot for democrats. which if trump wins controlling the senate/house will be critical.
How does who you vote for in the presidential election promote RCV? How does it reduce genocide? The action you promote advances neither goal. I will grant that if you're in a secure state, your vote will have little chance to affect the presidential election, but it also won't serve as a wakeup call to the winners of the election that FPTP needs to go.
You seem very confused. My point is people are pissy about the election because they're absolutely petrified of trump and are acting like 3rd party votes have any impact one way or another on who wins (they dont).
RCV is related because it removes the spoiler effect making these entire conversations disappear. Which i can only count as a good thing because the conversation is stupid and most people are not capable of having a comprehensive understanding of how our election structure interacts with fptp. They see cgp's video and think they have an understanding but completely ignore the interplay between congress, the president, the electoral college, down ballot effects.
I'd say you're the confused one. None of what I said contradicts anything in your response, and nothing in your response addresses any of the questions I asked. I can only assume that's because the answer is obvious and you don't want to acknowledge it.
I directly answered this. it doesn't but its related to the conversation because of how it will the environment.
it doesn't. but it would get idiots to shut up about non-existent spoilers. and indirectly might let them actually vote with their conscience on genocide instead of their fear of trump.