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Side one: Bully punches you in the face, full force and never ceasing.
Side two: Your pleasant enough neighbor annoyingly pokes you gently in the ribs, a few times a day randomly.
"Both are assaulting me!!!"
Yes technically, but one is a very different situation. You first defeat the thing punching you in the head so you can live another day to fight the thing giving you the random poke. Whoever doesn't get the fact that your right to even attempt to fight back is likely the cost of trump at this point... Jan 6th did not happen before in any of our lifetimes, things are tangibly escalating and those of you considering this as a choice at all are just far too comfortable in the rights you think you "own".
TIL genocide can be compared to "Your pleasant enough neighbor annoyingly pokes you gently in the ribs, a few times a day randomly"
You're missing the point of the analogy. Israel is definitely committing an active genocide and that's inexcusable. The world at large and US as a superpower need to do more to pressure Israel and potentially intervene, but people with your mindset are oblivious to the idea of triage , You have multiple active problems here. You first separate them into levels of severity to establish an order of operations and then you move in that order. You help first where the most help is needed to eventually solve for the whole situation.
You're either purposefully ignoring that or you have some growing up to do in how you process big problems happening all at once. Your response is lazy, but it makes you feel good - while doing absolutely nothing to help solve the larger problem.
This is genocide denial.
You say that when you stub your toe.
It is in no way denial of the active genocide perpetrated by Israel. It makes you feel good to reduce it to that, because what I present is a more difficult path to actual change.
This is how you describe the mass slaughter of innocents.
May you be gently poked in the ribs.
You're purposefully missing the point. Read and think.
I don't give a shit what "point" you think you're making while minimizing the mass slaughter of innocents.
Minimizing is you've perception through misinterpretation. You're a child and I'm not minimizing the genocide that Israel is actively perpetrating.
Right, only a child misinterpreting would think that comparing a genocide to "getting poked gently in the ribs" is minimizing it.
Most reasonable liberal.
Showing your ass, buddy
How so? I'm not the one comparing mass slaughter to getting poked in the ribs.
Well, your "liberal" comment to start, but more importantly, your repeated, performative missing of the point of the original statement. That wasn't the comparison made. All of your "counterpoints" center back to your same core misunderstanding of the original statement. Doesn't slow you down a tick though, does it?
Why would calling you a liberal be "showing my ass?" Liberals are supporters of the capitalist status quo. I'm not a liberal because I'm a leftist.
I have not "misinterpreted" anything, willfully or otherwise. You compared the current situation, where both sides support genocide, to a hypothetical where one side is "gently poking you in the ribs." That is a minimization of genocide. It's possible that you misunderstood my criticism - that comparison is inherently minimizing genocide regardless of your point.
The "sides" originally compared are trump and Harris and their general approaches to governance - international diplomacy being a part of that overall equation and not the whole. Again, YOU FUNDAMENTALLY MISUNDERSTAND the original point with an inherent bias in your processing of information it seems.
First "liberal" is a general descriptor of personal philosophy and not a party, liberal transcends party affiliation as it's a point on a spectrum within a party - you're failing in trying to speak to "leftists" versus "democrats" or more accurately, establishment democrats specifically.
Next, you claim to be a leftist, but leftists have more reason than you in my experience (source: am walking, talking, protesting, voting leftist AND a rational adult who understands emergency triage enough to know you need to assess a situation and survive the small battles to win the larger conflict). Your position isn't "leftist" it's maybe ignorant, misinformed anarchy - you want to burn shit down because it hurts your brain to make a plan.
And you also seem to be fixated on America while not living here or being a citizen abroad, which is another layer to this whole exchange? Where is your passionate attack of Israel focused on specifics of their inflicted and ongoing genocide - nowhere. That's because its similar for you to attack this middle layer and feel like you're "helping" - you aren't helping shit with your shallow, misdirected vitriol.
Again, no, I do not misunderstand the original point, I don't care about the original point, my criticism is that your comparison of genocide to getting gently poked in the ribs is minimizing genocide. Not a single thing you've said has in any way refuted that, you keep talking about the point of the analogy, but I'm not talking about the point of the analogy.
What makes you think I don't live in America? I do.
Everything else is just you screaming and throwing a fit over what you assume I believe, which is completely irrelevant to the conversation. The only point I'm interested in discussing with you is how you're minimizing genocide by comparing it to being gently poked in the ribs.
Oh for the love of god! What they’re saying that you’re not understanding is that if-
Providing arms to Israel = 1
Being a rapist = 2
Having 34 felony convictions = 3
“Dictator for a day” = 4
“Help Israel “finish the job” = 5
Project 2025 = 6
Abolishing body autonomy for women = 7 Abolishing the rights of the LGBTQ + = 8
Attacking American citizens with their own military = 9
And being able to execute people that he doesn’t like = 10
…. Then:
• Harris = 1
• Trump = 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, and 10.
THIS IN NO WAY MINIMIZES ANYTHING.
Hopefully this can end your confusion and settle this derailment of the topic.
I have no confusion on the issue at all. I have understood that that was the point of the comparison from the start, but what I've been very clear on is that I'm not talking about the point of the comparison, I am talking about the appropriateness of comparing mass slaughter to getting "gently poked in the ribs" for any reason to make any point. Talking about the point of the comparison is the derailment.
Why don't you try listening to what I'm saying instead of making assumptions about my criticism that have nothing to do with anything I said, and then condescending to me about how I'm "confused" and "failing to understand?" I have absolutely no confusion about the point, which again I understood from the beginning, but regardless of the point, comparing genocide to getting gently poked in the ribs is minimizing genocide. I don't see how anyone could possibly disagree with that.
No one is comparing mass slaughter to being poked in the ribs. This has been explained to you.
Purposefully missing the point is a form of trolling. And it’s ends now.
The person I responded to directly made that comparison, and at no point has even denied that they have. I have not "purposefully missed the point" I have been very clear about the nature of my criticism from the start, including the fact that it has nothing to do with the point of the comparison, only the comparison itself.
If you want to ban me for saying that an ongoing genocide shouldn't ever be compared to getting gently poked in the ribs, if you think that position is "trolling" then go right ahead. All you'll be doing is making an absolute mockery of yourself.
They explained their point to you many times. I stepped in to explain it to you as well. Yet you continue to argue even after you say you understood their point and that the intent isn’t to minimize the suffering in Palestine.
This ends NOW.
And I've explained to both you and them many times that the point is irrelevant. And you are completely ignoring that and continue talking about the point of the comparison, which is again, completely irrelevant to my actual criticism.
I wasn't aware that saying it's wrong to compare genocide to getting gently poked in the ribs was a bannable offense but I'll be happy to spread the word for you if that's the case. Do it or don't, your threats mean nothing to me, because I'm obviously in the right and any reasonable person would agree the comparison is distasteful.
Imagine if you just lost your father, and I came up to you and said, "Hey, y'know, compared to the Holocaust, your dad dying is a walk in the park." Regardless of whether the point of that comparison is valid or not, it is still clearly minimizing your loss in a way that is extremely disrespectful and inappropriate. There are Palestinians who are losing their loved ones every day, and it's completely possible that some of them could be on Lemmy, seeing their loss getting compared to "getting gently poked in the ribs." It's bad enough that you think that comparison is acceptable, but to suggest that disagreeing with the appropriateness of that comparison is "trolling" and so unacceptable that it should be removed is completely beyond the pale.
The US is aiding and abetting the slaughter of Palestinian-Americans’ families, so by your own account you’ll excuse them for being uncommitted to the current administration.
You are on a sinking ship, there is a hole in your boat. There are people on the shore that need food. You want to help the people on the shore, but you need to plug the hole in your boat first so you don't sink and drown. Only then can you make it to shore to actually be able to potentially help them.
This is about us as voters, the power we have in this moment and how we choose to strategically use that power. There's no excusing going on here, or just makes you keep good to draw that lazy conclusion. There's an order of operations to actually impact the problem.
Your passion is misdirected and short sighted, what is the actual plan for Gaza/Palestinians if you get trump elected? trump will literally use the war powers act to get IBM to give Israel the same SW they gave the nazis to make the concentration camps slaughter "more efficiently" and found more Jewish refugees not yet captured by the Germans at that time through records searching.
You and folks with the save shallow mindset are looking at this like children.
So far it looks like you’ve convinced no one here, Very Serious and Sober Adult In the Room, but go on.
This is not true. But considering how nowadays, it’s not terribly uncommon for people to base reality solely on their own personal perception- I can see how it happens.
Bigger commentary on the folks here.
Your boat is sinking.
Holy shit dude. Take a step back and understand how severely you've downplayed a genocide.
Just cause Harris is on your team doesn't mean you need to engage in this kind of denialism.
No team, no flags, no downplay of genocide - comparison is about the candidates generally as it pertains to the US election. You misunderstand the point of the comment. Explained further in other replies.
Genocide is playfully poking someone in the ribs? What do you think Trump is going to do by comparison then, kill God himself and destroy reality?
The analogy compares trump and Harris generally. You can read my other responses elaborating to others with a similar gut misunderstanding to yours, if you care to do so. But you likely don't. You likely just said a quick thing that made you feel good because you don't actually give a shit about the suffering of Israel's victims or have a clue how to solve large, multifaceted problems with layers of tangled complexity.
No. I'm not. You seem to lack the depth to actually consider the comment beyond a reaction from your gut surface reading it seems, further illustrated by your lovely words for my "mum".