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We'll have a long memory as things get worse for working class Americans, minorities and women
(lemmy.world)
this post was submitted on 12 Oct 2024
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voting for a third party is fine.
I personally think it's impractical since the democrats have advanced progressive policies these past 4 years that probably dovetail with any third party candidate a voter likes, but any vote an American voter casts is a valid vote.
Third party vote is a protest vote to deny the regime legitimacy.
Voting for either party is a vote of confidence in the regime. It only makes sense to participate within this framework if you feel like you benefiting from the current arrangements.
When I vote for a third party, I am voting for the candidate I most strongly identify with.
you know, like in a democracy.
"Voting for either party is a vote of confidence in the regime."
this is incredibly naive.
voting third party as a "protest" is like holding your hand under a blowtorch.
yeah, you'll get some attention, but it's not really going to help you out and you probably didn't have a good reason for doing it in the first place.
It will only work if enough people do it to rattle the current arrangement.
I am doing my part. Some day others will join. This a generation long battle and the only valiable option to influence the system.
Voting for either party is saying you are fine with the way the regime rules us. You are not going to get result by playing by their rules.
I think it would be more effective to start an election reform faction inside the Dems rather than abstain the vote for democracy against dictatorship.
"It will only work if enough people do it to rattle the current arrangement."
maybe. No evidence for that, though.
"I am doing my part."
maybe. No evidence for that, though.
"Some day others will join."
I'm not even sure what you're talking about. Bullying voters? Someday people will join you bullying voters? All your MAGA peers are in lockstep with you, you have millions of fascists willing to hold your hand.
"Voting for either party is saying you are fine with the way the regime rules us"
Incorrect, you have a naive, narrow, flawed understanding of electoral freedom.
I don't like the way the US government conducts itself.
That has nothing to do with choosing the better Presidential candidate according to my values.
This year, Harris will make a better President according to my values.
If Stein would, I'd vote for her. But she wouldn't.
Voting is valid, freedom of choice is valid.
Your bullying won't work here.
Bullying? You got a citation?
Yes, read above.
or try a dictionary.
I don't think you know what that term means
makes sense, considering your blind faith in ignorance.
Lol what?
there it is
This is a perspective than can only be held in a political system that has devolved to a two-party system.
If you step out of that, it stops making sense. A democracy allows for people to express their actual opinion. Anything less than that is not a proper democracy. I'd argue there are no "third parties" in a proper democracy.
You might be saying that the American regime is illegitimate, it's unclear.
Regime manufacturers legitimacy via captured political process and peasants accept this arrangement despite not being represented within the government broadly speaking is my thesis.
Did you mean decades?
The Democrats are the only party in the US creating good jobs for workers, supporting unions and rising salaries, increasing the minimum wage, investing in the middle class, trying to reign in corporations, stopping the wars started by the GOP, and managing the economy like adults trying to close down the deficit gaps created by GOP policies.
The third party candidates are unfiltered BS candidates that are neither experienced nor prepared to lead, and don't even care or try to govern since their campaigns are not designed to win any seats but only to gather attention and draw votes away from Dems.
And there's no point in speaking of the GOP since it should be obvious to anyone serious what the GOP does to education, middle class, salaries, unions, deficit, and now with their Project 2025 plan for minorities and anyone that doesn't identify as rural white Christian.
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Try again.
no, i didn't.
I specifically meant the last 4 years.
"The third party candidates are unfiltered BS candidates that are neither experienced nor prepared to lead"
source?
it sounds like you're just making this up, since lots of third-party candidates are good candidates who can't get ahead because of the corrupt us electoral system.
"stopping the wars started by the GOP".
uhhhh hahahaha! get out of here, it's amazing you can type that right now, I see you hid it between a bunch of other bad points, but boy is this the wrongest of them all.
"only to gather attention and draw votes away from Dems."
so you're 12 or you've never paid attention to US politics before.
third party candidates are historically more devoted to all of the things you have listed above, job creation, union support, minimum wage, corporate taxes, they are good candidates with good policies who get screwed because of the US electoral system.
they are not political distractions, your narrow-minded ignorance is.