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[–] miz@hexbear.net 99 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (6 children)

'Prepare for post-Hezbollah phase' US envoy tells Lebanon as Israeli massacres intensify | The Cradle

US Ambassador to Lebanon Lisa Johnson has asked political forces in the country to “prepare for the post-Hezbollah phase, where its control over the state and its institutions and the state’s border crossings is no longer permitted.” Al-Akhbar reported on 11 October.

She reiterated that “Hezbollah has become very weak after the strikes that were directed at it, targeting its leaders and killing its Secretary-General, and therefore, it can no longer impose what it wants, and there is a new political phase that the country will witness soon in which the party has no place.”

delusional. they are still sticking to this deranged fantasy that killing Nasrallah (and 600 bystanders) somehow made Hezbollah a fraction of its former self. hard to believe this is purely cynical, feels like it could be that syndrome where the failsons running the show have fallen for all the previous generation's propaganda

[–] jack@hexbear.net 68 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

the failsons running the show have fallen for all the previous generation's propaganda

This describes the entire imperial elite of this century

[–] Florn@hexbear.net 35 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Reagan was a bullet through the brain of the political class, it just took people a while to notice the smell

[–] Boredom@hexbear.net 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Reagan stopped israel from occupying Beirut.

[–] GlueBear@hexbear.net 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

He had a hand in it, but he absolutely wasn't the only factor nor was he the biggest factor behind that.

[–] Boredom@hexbear.net 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] GlueBear@hexbear.net 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Following the assassination of Gemayel in September 1982, Israel's position in Beirut became untenable and the signing of a peace treaty became increasingly unlikely. There was outrage at the IDF's role in the Phalangist-perpetrated Sabra and Shatila massacre of Palestinians and Lebanese Shias. This stoked Israeli public disillusionment with the war. The IDF withdrew from Beirut and ended its operation on 29 September 1982.[33] The May 17 Agreement of 1983 ended the state of war between Israel and Lebanon, and provided for an Israeli withdrawal from the country. Amid rising casualties from guerrilla attacks, the IDF retreated south of the Awali river on 3 September 1983.[34]

From February to April 1985, the Israeli military undertook a phased withdrawal to its "South Lebanon security zone" along the border. The Israeli occupation saw the emergence of Hezbollah, an Iranian-backed Shia Islamist group.[35] It waged a guerrilla war against the Israeli occupation until the IDF's final withdrawal from Lebanon in 2000.[36] In Israel, the 1982 invasion is also known as the First Lebanon War.[ii]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1982_Lebanon_War

The famous phone call between Reagan and happened in 1982.

https://www.nytimes.com/1982/08/13/world/reagan-demands-end-to-attacks-in-a-blunt-telephone-call-to-begin.html

^ Original press release of the call by nyt.

Reagan got them to stop bombing Beirut temporarily, but the occupation was ended by guerilla forces and mounting public disillusionment regarding the direction of the war.

[–] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 60 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

somebody should tell all the special forces commandos Israel keeps sending over the border that they're being killed by a military force that can no longer impose what it wants on them

I'm sure they'll be thrilled

[–] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 51 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

it's like in Ukraine when the Russian army had been totally destroyed for the fourteen time in the war after 100,000 soldiers were killed in a human wave attack because Putin is both evil and stupid, and so the only conceivable explanations as to why Ukraine had not fully taken back its territory is either a) Russian ghosts fighting back, or b) Ukraine was firing on its own troops whenever they tried to advance

like, the West just kept asserting that Russia had run out of missiles and even though they were repeatedly wrong, they didn't really have anything else to do other than keep repeating it in the hopes that it maybe it would come true. perhaps a Russian weapons manufacturer would see the headlines and go "damn, really? alright, I won't check the latest figures from my factory, I'm just gonna turn this place into a bakery."

[–] Pentacat@hexbear.net 23 points 3 weeks ago

Putin is really totally humiliated this time!

[–] VILenin@hexbear.net 11 points 3 weeks ago

Evil Putler reversed the polarity in Ukraine so the helpless Ukrainians got confused about the direction and started advancing the wrong way, so it’s actually a demonstration of plucky Ukrainian military prowess!

[–] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 58 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (4 children)

this is literally TikTok manifestation but for geopolitics. if we keep saying that something is true, it has to become true, even as we feed the next wave of Israeli soldiers in to take selfies 500 feet away from a border village and get obliterated by Hezbollah rockets. it's always worked for us before, why wouldn't it work now?

trying to manufacture alternative realities only really works if you have a decent chance of, y'know, winning, and therefore stand a chance in the future of creating those alternative realities that you've been establishing via propaganda. there is nothing that Israel could do short of carpet bombing southern Lebanon with nukes that would meaningfully degrade Hezbollah. it is simply too deeply embedded, both literally (miles of tunnels underground), socially, economically, and politically. taking out Nasrallah and the subsequent bombings since then have taken Hezbollah from 100% strength to like, 99.5% strength. Hamas is still very much intact and still killing Zionists after a year of war and they are almost entirely shut off from the world; Hezbollah can keep going as long as there's a border to smuggle goods across, and it is impossible for Israel to totally occupy Lebanon. they can barely occupy a small village.

this leads me to believe that the Israeli strategy will be to eventually withdraw and stop trying after taking colossal losses, then in the classic Israeli fashion, declare victory and say that Hezbollah has been destroyed, but I'm unsure what the point of that will be when the missiles keep firing over the border and settlers are still unable to return to the north because Hezbollah will still be 95% intact.

[–] miz@hexbear.net 65 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

here let me try it think-mark

'Prepare for post-capitalism phase' Chinese envoy tells California as second American civil war intensifies

[–] Flaps@hexbear.net 34 points 3 weeks ago
[–] dkr567@hexbear.net 23 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Only difference is that would be a massive improvement for Amerikkka.

[–] IzyaKatzmann@hexbear.net 19 points 3 weeks ago

this is great! do daily headlines in the fakenews comm pls

[–] miz@hexbear.net 32 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

this must be similar to what it felt like during anti-Vietnam-War activism when the government would keep reporting kill counts as if they indicated progress

[–] GlueBear@hexbear.net 11 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Israeli strategy will be to eventually withdraw and stop trying after taking colossal losses, then in the classic Israeli fashion, declare victory and say that Hezbollah has been destroyed

This is USian strategy ala Vietnam. Israeli military strategy will follow course of apartheid South Africa military strategy.

That is, declare war on everyone around them and eventually succumb to guerillas from neighbors and to the economic blockade causing the economy to enter free fall.

[–] Boredom@hexbear.net 3 points 3 weeks ago

I sincerely believe you guys don't know the history of the region. Israel occupied southern lebanon for 20 years. At this point they don't want to win per se, they just want to collapse the country into famine and civil war.

[–] Pentacat@hexbear.net 49 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

The audacity to say “here’s how it’s going to be” to a sovereign nation without even bothering with a false pretense. I guess killing a million plus of your own citizens in a pandemic via negligent homicide with no consequences has really emboldened the US government.

[–] VILenin@hexbear.net 25 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

“Prepare for post-head-attached-to-your-neck phase”, VILenin tells US Ambassador Lisa Johnson

[–] miz@hexbear.net 12 points 3 weeks ago

there are decades where nothing happens, and there are weeks where decapitations happen

[–] GlueBear@hexbear.net 16 points 3 weeks ago

They're manifesting. They did this shit with Russia, Gaza, Yemen, and now Lebanon. They'll keep doing this too. That's what their foreign policy has come to; walk in, declare "how things are gonna be", get ass handed and eat shit when attempting to force other party to bend to us demands, leave and keep talking about it in media releases.

[–] Dessa@hexbear.net 44 points 3 weeks ago

They said the same thing about installing the PA in Gaza, and they're no closer to that goal either.

[–] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 13 points 3 weeks ago

hard to believe this is purely cynical, feels like it could be that syndrome where the failsons running the show have fallen for all the previous generation's propaganda

I 100% believe this to be the case.